So, let's see. SE has better politics discussions than the politics forum. Better religion discussion than the religion forum, better Riverman discussions than LVL's Riverman TR thread, and now better poker discussion than the poker forums.

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The mods suck dick though

oh god, someone made sgt rj a SE mod?

How much would it help just to have online seating be similar to live? So you just click somewhere that you want another table and it puts you on the list with an opening or you start a new table with people when X people are on the list and there are no empty seats. Wouldn't this stop a lot of the fish stalking that is a problem, from the poker site's perspective?

lulz at that goal

Yeah if I'm understanding correctly this is brilliant for PP

this is the only regard where i can support something like this. people like leatherass being celebrated for this "skill" despite arguably not being capable of beating a table of average MSNL regs longterm is pretty gross

i just think there are more pragmatic ways to level the playing field than this. removing table selection entirely would be an interesting approach. not so much that you're matched up by skill level, but you're assigned a table at complete random. there are a ton of loopholes to this, but that's for smarter people than i to solve. you don't even have to put a table cap if you just remove huds. 24 table grinders would instantly become the biggest losers on the site

yea, thats basically what I was saying above.

within the promotion and relegation idea I think it makes sense to have the winrates they use be based on hours played rather than total hands or dollars. this would allow the average players with 0 winrates to avoid brutal swings and keep them in the player poll for longer. obviously it would require more elaborate code to prevent people from gaming it.

I dont know how much games have changed but I played without a HUD while 16-24 tabling MSNL FR cash for a few years and won at a small clip. I tried using one a few times and I didnt find any real benefits. lol me maybe.

I saw someone suggest removing screen names in the Party Thread. Seems like it could be a good idea, certainly would alleviate a lot of the HUD problem.

Odd as I'd think ssnl/msnl is where one would see the biggest benefits from a hud given the disparity in skill and the more consistent player base.

Fwiw, I was the same way. Found the HUD more distracting then beneficial.

Bovada (bodog) does this currently.

meh. I found that I could remember styles of all the regs within a month of play at any level and after a few months would have plenty of history to remember bigs pots and certain board texture tendencies. I never found anything in a HUD that could help me here. I just always assumed new players were bad and you can tell what type of bad within 100 hands pretty much always.

I was by no means one of the people who would be grouped in the big winners portion of this algorithm or anything, but its definitely wouldnt cripple players who dont act like human bots. I found the HUD to be exponentially more useful in mtts.

what the move really does is incite fraud. i would be feverishly working on setting up, funding, and employing a method to continually start new accounts that are by default placed in the easy games.

also, i would try to acquire, likely just purchase, accounts from fish.

but really, for the sites, there is a much moar efficient way to elevate profit. just steal. shave off pennies or random dollars from random pots and accounts.

or rig the rng to send pots to lesser players. keep weak players with low account balances in the game. take from winners with hudge accounts. this is really no different.

Just watch Office Space?

ya that works. or just randomly every once in awhile rake an extra amount, like 50c. obv ppl will notice pennies out of pots. but if you skim an extra 50c or dollar that may work. mebbe not.

even moar efficient and stealthy would be to just steal a few dollars out of long dormant accounts or super high volume multitablers. no way those dude keep track of xxx13.73 or xxx11.23.

morally its the same in my mind.

It's obviously nowhere near the same morally because they are telling you it is happening.

I agree. I would feel the same way about my boss telling me I had to produce more to earn my current salary than I would if he stole a $20 bill out of my wallet on my desk everyday.

they didnt tell ppl it was happening. ppl found out by analyzing data (something that the poker rooms attempt to squash) and then party admitted doing so.

this is why ppl should avoid analogies in general and esp on the internet.

lol soccer

Oh, sorry, that is really shady then.

Meh, easy to do this when you get to cherry pick your issues.

if this is standard practice, and since clark is some middlewig gambling honcho, i would imagine it will be, then i am devoutly against online poker being legalized. it is no longer a game of skill. just another lottery like tax on degens.

The one argument I can think of against PP skill matching is that this move will cut down the number of winners, and seeing other people win is probably at least part of what keeps casual/losing players coming back. Moneymaker is obviously the biggest example of this.

Say what you will about someone like leatherass, but I'm sure there are tons of players trying to do exactly what he does, except most of them are of course losing players.

To be clear, I'm not saying that this is a bad move for PP at all, just pointing out one possible counterargument.