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do you think its fair to say that this is true in all regards except MLS? i cant think of 1 time in my entire life i have heard a person reference wanting to go to an MLS game or wanting to watch one on TV.

No, the MLS is definitely growing a ton. In 2005, average attendance was 15,108. In 2012, average attendance was 18,807. A 24% increase per game is pretty big, but they've added 7 teams. 2005 total attendance was 2.9m. 2012 was 6.1m.

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02-16-2013 , 01:28 PM

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mlb/nhl/nfl you can usually make a legitimate case that for almost half the league running hot and winning it all. nba there's 4 teams (6 if you wanna include bulls + rose and clippers) who have a legitimate chance. it's pretty much just going through the motions until the conference semis. the game is just so superstar dominated that barring injury there's no real chance for parity, which on one hand is good cuz you want to see the best play the best when it matters most but on the other hand where's the suspense?

that being said, the conference finals and NBA Finals are pretty sweet

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02-16-2013 , 01:32 PM

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Curling on NBCSN right now. This bitch from team Brown has some SHUSTAHHHHHHHH in her

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02-16-2013 , 01:41 PM

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Hitting guard stones is so...

SHUSTAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HH

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02-16-2013 , 01:48 PM

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Sergei Bobrovsky!

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02-16-2013 , 01:48 PM

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Looking at the Vancouver thread. Wow, its been 3 years since SHUSTAHHH.

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02-16-2013 , 01:51 PM

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OMG, upon further search Shuster has won an event this year and has two runner-ups. I have no idea if he is trying for 2014 olympics but god damnit I hope he makes it.

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02-16-2013 , 01:51 PM

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHUSTAHHHHHHHHHHHH IS ON AT 4 TODAY FOR THE TRIALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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02-16-2013 , 01:56 PM

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHUSTAHHHHHHHHHHHH IS ON AT 4 TODAY FOR THE TRIALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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02-16-2013 , 02:01 PM

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You guys are throwing out parity and competitive balance as arguments assuming that they are good and I'm not sure you can 100% say that. For example the English Premier League does very well and has less parity than the NBA. Would the EPL do better with a salary cap? Idk.

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02-16-2013 , 02:05 PM

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This is pretty fair. NBA fans are a pretty stupid bunch and prefer 2 super teams over a wide open field.

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02-16-2013 , 02:09 PM

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i assume the dominant teams in EPL also happen to be in the biggest markets?

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02-16-2013 , 02:10 PM

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When you combine a 16 team playoff with almost no parity, that's a vastly different situation than the EPL. The Spurs woudn't sit half their team every third game if the goal was to win the regular season

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02-16-2013 , 02:11 PM

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i assume the dominant teams in EPL also happen to be in the biggest markets?

I think like half the league is in the same market

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02-16-2013 , 02:11 PM

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EPL you want to win, get top 4, get top 5 and don't want to be bottom 3. Plus regular season is the only thing that matters. Plus different tournaments you can succeed in. Vastly different than NBA

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02-16-2013 , 02:15 PM

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for me its (what appears to be) the widespread lack of effort, especially on defense, in the regular season

this is so casualfan.jpg

it's not remotely true if you actually watch the NBA

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02-16-2013 , 02:15 PM

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i assume the dominant teams in EPL also happen to be in the biggest markets?

Also in baseball.

My point is that theoretically leagues are structured to maximize the utility functions and preferences of the owners, and since fans drive revenue, by the fans. You can't call these preferences wrong. If NBA and EPL owners and fans wanted parity, the league structure would have changed by now.

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02-16-2013 , 02:17 PM

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This is pretty fair. NBA fans are a pretty stupid bunch and prefer 2 super teams over a wide open field.

What are you suggesting to change it? Parity in the NBA is a product of the nature of the game, not the system. There's a reason parity has never existed in the NBA.

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02-16-2013 , 02:19 PM

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What are you suggesting to change it? Parity in the NBA is a product of the nature of the game, not the system. There's a reason parity has never existed in the NBA.

Why do you think I'm suggesting they change it? The NBA is doing "well" by giving fans 2-3 teams with a chance to win each year. It's what the fans want. I think those fans are mouth-breathing idiots, but I wouldn't suggest the NBA try to increase parity because it's not what their inbred fanbase demands.

And yeah, the nature of the game pretty much allows for one or two stars to take over a game to the point that, without rule changes, parity is impossible/

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02-16-2013 , 02:19 PM

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ya trying to create parity in the nba would just result in lebron's team being even more dominant imo

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02-16-2013 , 02:22 PM

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So parity is impossible but parity doesn't exist because the NBA is catering to its mouth breathing, inbred, idiot fans? Cool story bro

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02-16-2013 , 02:24 PM

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Well an actual Hard cap with no player cap might help a little bit. Allowing your top 10 players (or more?) to be seriously underpaid allows teams to sign several to max deals. Of course, players can just take pay cuts anyway and removing the player cap/home team bonuses may just cause a lack of retention in the teams that need it most. Not sure which way that would actually go in practice.

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02-16-2013 , 02:24 PM

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What are you suggesting to change it? Parity in the NBA is a product of the nature of the game, not the system. There's a reason parity has never existed in the NBA.

The "nature of the game" isn't why the elite NBA players gravitate toward a handful of markets though. It's something outside of the game that the NBA doesn't have much control over* that nonetheless probably benefits the league as a whole.

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02-16-2013 , 02:26 PM

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So parity is impossible but parity doesn't exist because the NBA is catering to its mouth breathing, inbred, idiot fans? Cool story bro

wat

I'm sure there are rules or fundamental changes the NBA could make that might lessen the difference between LeBron and the field, but unless they do, he's still head and shoulder above and other "elites" are going to be able to have huge impacts just the same. That's not the point.

The point is that NBA fans overwhelmingly support super teams and don't support wide-open competition, so there's seemingly zero reason for the NBA to change its model.

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02-16-2013 , 02:42 PM

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Why is the NFL (lots of parity) more popular than the MLB and NBA (less parity) in the US? Reasons I can think of:
1. people like seeing other people hit each other (i.e. people like the game of football more than other sports)
2. all/most games on a Sunday (a day of relaxation)
3. only 16 games so each game matters more
4. fantasy football/gambling
5. competitive balance, driven by hard salary caps and TV revenue sharing

Personally I think #1-4 are bigger than #5

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