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12-15-2012 , 12:22 PM
Holy lol at tanners cars posts
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12-15-2012 , 12:59 PM
Rate the way The Sopranos ended on a 1-10 scale
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12-15-2012 , 01:00 PM
Solid 8.
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12-15-2012 , 01:05 PM
Pretty much a 10 imo
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12-15-2012 , 01:10 PM
In before someone links to masterofgettingeveryontheinternettobelievemy****ty argument
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12-15-2012 , 01:17 PM
You don't have to agree with it, but I don't really see how what he wrote is a "****ty argument."
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12-15-2012 , 01:30 PM
bc it wasn't the intended conclusion by the creator, so it's just like his opinion man?

(seeing what he wants to see, etc)

Last edited by 72off; 12-15-2012 at 01:31 PM. Reason: there obv is no definitive ending, that's the point, to argue otherwise is just dumb
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12-15-2012 , 01:31 PM
DONT READ THIS IF YOU HAVENT SEEN THE SOPRANOS FINALE

He put in a lot of work and it's interesting, but it tilts me that it's cited as the be all and end all of Soprano's analysis and a solution to a puzzle when the essay is a giant strawman. His argument is basically "If there are a lot of fatalistic motifs/symbols/themes in final season then Tony dies". Then he proceeds to outline every fatalistic element in exhausting detail. The problem is those who think Tony lived or are agnostic about the ending aren't disputing the premise that fatalistic themes existed, they are disputing the causation of his argument. The breadth of mastersofsopranos makes it an excellent piece of analysis, but the breadth doesn't eliminate his fundamental rhetorical error.
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12-15-2012 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ut2010
Just stopping by to post that I got on 2+2 this morning solely because I wanted to watch this again.

****ing hilarious.

"Second, go to the terrible thread. . ."

Last edited by CPHoya; 12-15-2012 at 01:55 PM. Reason: I'm pretty dumb
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12-15-2012 , 01:47 PM
**** THAT FORUM
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12-15-2012 , 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Pudge714
DONT READ THIS IF YOU HAVENT SEEN THE SOPRANOS FINALE

He put in a lot of work and it's interesting, but it tilts me that it's cited as the be all and end all of Soprano's analysis and a solution to a puzzle when the essay is a giant strawman. His argument is basically "If there are a lot of fatalistic motifs/symbols/themes in final season then Tony dies". Then he proceeds to outline every fatalistic element in exhausting detail. The problem is those who think Tony lived or are agnostic about the ending aren't disputing the premise that fatalistic themes existed, they are disputing the causation of his argument. The breadth of mastersofsopranos makes it an excellent piece of analysis, but the breadth doesn't eliminate his fundamental rhetorical error.
Spoiler:
His real argument is "The final scene is set up with filming and editing techniques to put us in Tony's POV when the screen cuts to black, and said cut to black is in line with how Chase has described death throughout the series-- you never hear it coming, it's all a big nothing, etc."

I personally would argue that there aren't just "themes of death" throughout the final season, but specifically of Tony's death, as he has a near-death experience which tells him he needs to change, and by the end of the show he has not only roundly rejected that change, but also driven everyone close to him away (sometimes by killling them).


Let me ask you something, what do you think David Chase's intent was with the last scene?
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12-15-2012 , 01:49 PM
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back to CHALLENGE discussion

9. CT dq vs brad on the duel
HOLY **** i found it and watched it. CT just bulldozes him as usual and does something dumb. LOOOOOOL that was ****ing awesome. CT is the goat
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12-15-2012 , 01:53 PM
masterofsopranos is the ultimate tl;dr
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12-15-2012 , 01:53 PM
yeah, i finally got around to watching the dk video, that was pretty good. he should narrate a series on using the internet better
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12-15-2012 , 01:57 PM
Sopranos ending prolly a 9, maybe an 8. I like it more as time goes by and loved it on rewatch of the series last year.

The controversial ending hides the fact that the last 8 or 10 episodes (S6P2) of that final season were incredible.
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12-15-2012 , 02:03 PM
tony obv dies, no need to explain it using 3 million words and pics
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12-15-2012 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
**** THAT FORUM
lol.
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12-15-2012 , 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by digables
tony obv dies...
butnahhhhhhhhhh (obv spoilers)

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or maybe?


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...no need to explain it using 3 million words and pics
well yeah you do to "prove" something that isn't true
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12-15-2012 , 02:20 PM
While Alan Sepinwall is a very good TV writer, he has clung to that viewpoint for years and even deliberately misquotes some things Chase says to support it

(example: He quotes Chase saying "It's all there" to support the idea that nothing happened that we didn't see on the surface; Chase's actual quote is "It's all there if you look carefully", which seems to suggest the opposite)
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12-15-2012 , 02:30 PM
also depends on what the meaning of "it" is
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12-15-2012 , 02:31 PM
masterofsopranos >>> all of you
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12-15-2012 , 02:32 PM
The Sopranos is one of the great pieces of TV and media in general, that the final scene has been reduced to a puzzle because people demand closure is a little depressing to me. The irony of the quote above is that I think that Chase was attempting to curb extra-textual analysis and suggesting that one view the piece of art as it is, but it has the opposite effect where people think Chase is giving hidden clues. Chase has always been inscrutable in interviews and has shown contempt for a lot of The Sopranos audience the idea that he would give some secret clue in an interview seems out of character.

Last edited by Pudge714; 12-15-2012 at 02:37 PM.
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12-15-2012 , 02:33 PM
TriumPhudge is right!
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12-15-2012 , 02:34 PM
anyone parsing anything david chase said post-sopranos, unless he explicitly explains the meaning of the ending, is losing the argument

sepinwallisright

'it's all there' is the showrunner equivalent of 'we're just taking it one game at a time'
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