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Originally Posted by GusJohnsonGOAT
Sure, Pete Rose was just insider trading. Your statements are just inconsistent of addiction. If Ohtani was a true addict making a "business decision" isn't necessarily what happens. He might but he might also not have control over that decision. The movie highlights what gambling addiction actually is and does it in an interesting way, but also exactly what Ippei might have done which is why I brought it up.
It's fine if you don't fully understand addiction. I'm just refuting one of your statements. Doesn't mean I don't agree with a lot of what you are saying.
I hear what you're saying here but I think for gambling addiction in particular, it's hard to separate because on some level, all addiction feeds off of personal issues and where it goes off the rail for a lot of people is that the feedback loop between addiction and financial trouble.
With that said, the point is that we have to separate the thing the addict consumes directly as part of the addiction (i.e. alcohol for alcoholics) versus what the addict does desperately to fund that addiction (i.e. crimes the addict commits in order to be able to buy alcohol - this is what I mean by business decisions). And generally speaking, choosing to bet on your own games is going to be more of the latter, which means virtually no one that is doing extremely well financially is likely to engage in it.
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Originally Posted by smartDFS
candybar already established if you bet on your own sport it's always a business decision and never degeneracy
There's a wide variety of gambling options available even for the most degenerate, which means those that bet specifically on their own games are doing so as a last resort due to financial trouble.
And when we look at the Pete Rose case, it's fairly clear - he didn't resort to betting on his own games until his gambling habits got bad enough to become highly problematic to his finances and until he had control over outcomes such that this was highly advantageous.
If you can think of a single case where someone casually bet on their own games with no real financial motivation, while being generally aware of the severe consequences, I'd love to know, but I'm not aware of any such case.
Of course none of this really applies to Ohtani - he's not a manager (thus has no real way to influence the outcome of games without blatantly throwing them) and he's literally one of the least financially desperate people on the planet.
Last edited by candybar; 03-24-2024 at 07:49 PM.