obviously part of the cover-up. i mean what a bizarre thing to text to your bookie who is supposedly operating under the assumption that you've been stealing millions from your cash cow for years

everyone declaring ohtani most naive fool oat when in fact he is keyser shohzei

Yea, quite honestly I didn't expect this level of cope given such clear and damning results (in such a short time frame) to this debate. "Well, I'll be damned, I guess I was wrong" was about what I anticipated when I saw the stories come out last week.

I'm not so familiar with the people posting in this thread, but it feels like politics at this point, just being completely elastic and constantly moving goalposts and ignoring incorrect things that you said with conviction just days before.

Oh well, it was entertaining and a good thought exercise with a pretty quick and conclusive turnaround.

so he's a massive moron because he has so much money and so many different accounts and didn't realize his large team of financial managers and advisors weren't also managing the one account he was getting money stolen from and he's so successful that he could have all that money stolen and not even notice?

this take is way stupider than any potential accusation of stupidity levied at ohtani but it's funny you label anyone who defends him as a fanboy when the reality is people like you are just massively jealous and want so badly to find something they can disparage ohtani over to make themselves feel better.

pretty convenient how you left off mizuhara's response where he denies the claim of it being a cover up and admits that he really did steal from him.

it's pretty clear at this point that anyone still trying to claim ohtani was involved or stupid for not noticing either hasn't read the charging document or is just too stupid to understand it.

absolutely. and I happen to know some very knowledgeable reputable people in the sports betting world that say bowyer is basically scum of the earth has stiffed tons of people and has ratted out everyone he could think of.
dude is just the worst of the worst.

so now his team is so yuge that there was no possible way that he could keep track of everyone, and all the yen (even before the lump sum payment). and that giving the translator the power to set up his bank accounts, despite all the accountants, managers and advisors, was just a clerical error or something bc the organization was just so big.

lol doyer fans. go back to maiming people in the parking lot of that filthy garage you call a stadium and telling each other how smart you and your players all are

No one said he’s smart to get ripped off. Just that it doesn’t take being the dumbest guy on earth to have your closest friend screw you over. There’s also a part of this where I bet the banks/financial companies screwed up some security or individual QA people probably just let some suspicious stuff go because of the language barrier.

and no one is accusing him is being the dumbest guy on earth. plenty of smart people have been ripped off and conned. but when he put his trust in someone that he shouldn't have (bc he knew him a long time?) a fair bit of responsibility will fall on his shoulders for what happened.

That is a fair statement and I agree 100%.

It’s also not the same as being a “massive moron”, a “complete ****ing moron”, and some of the other more colorful terms thrown around.

Really?

You guys are also too dumb to have original thoughts, which is why you guys all sound the same and have the exact same argument as everybody else.

You have to be a massive moron to think that anyone was arguing that there was no possible way that Ohtani could've kept tracked of everything or that this is a reasonable bar for a victim. Sure, for a lot of crimes, you could look back and think of ways the victim could've protected themselves better.

i'm sorry the guy you have posters of on your ceiling is a degen and/or moran, it's not my fault. it'll all be ok, lil slugger

Is this like a desperate attempt to feel better about being embarrassingly wrong about everything? I don't know who you're trying to convince here.

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We've seen lots of celebrities ripped off and usually not by a friend they've been traveling with basically every day for a decade. He still should have noticed this earlier but I can see how it happened.

Lol@tbe people who swore it had to be Ohtani gambling who are still trying to dunk on people now. You were wrong,it's ok to be wrong. But being dead wrong and saying "lol so Ohtani is an idiot" and acting like you won is a clown take. I mean the most likely scenarios were Ohtani was gambling or Ohtani got robbed by his degenerate friend. When you think it's one and it turns out to be the other just take the L.

it's funny, people that obsess over money and could never understand not knowing exactly how much your account balance is at all times just cannot comprehend someone having so much money it means nothing to them and they are actively pursuing much more meaningful goals such as being the greatest baseball player of all time and could not be less interested in dealing with business or financial matters or any of that stuff and could easily have millions stolen from them without ever noticing or caring.

but go on projecting your own concerns and obsessions and passing judgement on someone else who is so much more talented than you'll ever be and be angry that he will never have to worry about money for the rest of his life.

zomg what an idiot for not going over every one of his accounts to make sure everything was in order how dare he not give a **** about what you care so much about?

Guy had 16M stolen post taxes, only net 25M last year or something. Going to net 50M this year I mean he's got piles of money coming in he's on billionaire trajectory.

These aren't genuine original thoughts, but a predictable outcome of morons copy-pasting arguments that they read/watched somewhere. Most people sound fairly dumb when they try to post original thoughts, and many of them subconsciously realize this, so a few talking points get copied everywhere, which then emboldens the morons because they are not alone, so they can't be that wrong.

*guy supposedly gets robbed of $16m*
candybar: masterful gambit, sir!

Assuming everything actually went the way ippei says it did (btw so many people are losing their jobs for this), Ohtani is definitely the stupidest **** living

You’re telling me you’re worth this much money, have an entourage that includes at the very least one accountant to monitor your finance and think 16 million of unexplained wire transfers was just ‘wait that happened?’ a couple years after the fact?

For a while I was admiring the redman level work candybar was putting ITT but now it’s just sad. Either Othani was in on it or he is just a mouthbreathing simp who throws ball hard and hits ball far

yeah.
some details from the criminal complaint:

anyway, according to many he is neither a weird guy who is into some **** so he set up his life like a mafia don running everything through literally one guy, nor a moran who got scammed by a not-too-bright scumbag. hey, it could happen to anyone who put their 110% full trust in some random translator that they've known for 11 years. that's not stupid, it's totally normal! who among us hasn't been robbed of $16,000,000 by some guy they've known for just over a decade, throw the first stone, i dare ya

i also don't really buy that none of this stuff was filtering down to ohtani. his agent noticed how ****ed up this was, the team was receiving a lot of expensive memorabilia addressed to an alias, there's no way ppl weren't talking. idk about the angels, but i saw in one article that the dodgers had a couple of japanese ppl around the team

anyway, the point is, if ohtani got scammed because he built walls around himself and handed literally all of the keys to this one guy, that isn't stupid. it's very smart, because he's good at baseball, or something...


and, not really relevant to anything, but very ldo and funny:

Actually it would make Ippei the stupidest human being ever. You have an extremely high paying job through sheer luck, travel the world on chartered flights, are best friends with by far the most famous person your home country and steal a bunch of money from him to end up in prison and the disgrace of your country. And you don't even benefit from it financially in the end. Total clown ****.

Ohtani still likely ends up as a billionaire and the best player in the history of baseball, the one thing he's passionate about. Ending up filthy rich even after being robbed by doing what you've loved your entire life without even caring that much about money is the opposite of a simp. Hard to be a bigger life crusher than that.

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nah bro he should def spend less time pursuing his dream of being the goat MLB player and spend way more time balancing his checkbooks!

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It really isn’t hard to hire someone who monitors your finances and let you know when there’s red flags like *checks notes* 16 million randomly going nowhere that makes sense