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04-28-2014 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
I mean, how evil can slaughtering all humans and turning them into zombie-slaves be, really?
No one answered how come they haven't slaughtered Mance's army. I think it's because they're highly intelligent and satient. They do things with purpose. So the people they slaughtered (night's watch) must've deserved it.
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04-28-2014 , 08:43 PM
Being a white walker doesn't seem so bad. I'm sure it has it's perks. You get to be around children and animals. They support artistic endeavors. All the snow you can eat.

Health plan seems to suck tho. Thanks obama.
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04-28-2014 , 08:44 PM
also didn't look like they were turning them into SLAVES. looked like that's just how they reproduce
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04-28-2014 , 08:52 PM
Yeah I bet they're really pissed about being left out of Incestmcrapewarmurderville down south.
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04-28-2014 , 08:54 PM
Haven't seen a walker with a rack like margaery tyrell's tho
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04-28-2014 , 08:56 PM
Does Kingslayer love Brienne? Kind of got that vibe as she was leaving
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04-28-2014 , 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by chim17
Is that what's happening?
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
also didn't look like they were turning them into SLAVES. looked like that's just how they reproduce
Isn't that what we saw at the beginning of the series? Like in season 1 a White Walker kills somebody and that person comes back as a zombie to attack the Night's Watch or something. Not talking about turning the babies into White Walkers because that's a whole other ballgame.
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
No one answered how come they haven't slaughtered Mance's army. I think it's because they're highly intelligent and satient. They do things with purpose. So the people they slaughtered (night's watch) must've deserved it.
Maybe they just haven't found them yet. IIRC maps of Westeros suggest that "North of The Wall" is a pretty big place. I'm also led to believe the resurgence in White Walkers is pretty recent, as per the guy who fled the Night's Watch at the beginning of the series to warn everybody and got killed by Ned because following the rules is more important than doing the right thing.
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04-28-2014 , 09:27 PM
I thought it was kind of funny that the shock ending was that the white walker king turns the babies into little walkers. I mean, only everyone on earth assumed that.
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04-28-2014 , 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
Maybe they just haven't found them yet. IIRC maps of Westeros suggest that "North of The Wall" is a pretty big place. I'm also led to believe the resurgence in White Walkers is pretty recent, as per the guy who fled the Night's Watch at the beginning of the series to warn everybody and got killed by Ned because following the rules is more important than doing the right thing.
I thought he was going AWOL from the Night's Watch because he was scared of the White Walkers, not trying to warn everyone?
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04-28-2014 , 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mw828
GoT

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Like the one thing of real value that occurred in this episode is that we found out about at least some of the conspirators of the poisoning. But even then instead of a plot of intrigue and mystery, they basically beat us over the head with it leaving nothing to the imagination other than how they came about devising this plan.

I guess Dany taking down the aztec kingdom would be a big event in theory, but they've made her whole storyline such a bore that nobody cares. Oh look, another random metropolis FAR better than anything in the 7 kingdoms taken just because and who gives a ****, we didn't even know they existed til last week.

Any rational person would just rule their ****ing half dozen awesome city-states and be done, butnaahhh, gotta go take over KL and a bunch of assorted ****holes across the narrow sea.
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It isn't about having a castle to live comfortably in until she dies. She wants to free every slave she can and rule the 7 kingdoms because she thinks she'll do better than anyone else. And lol at comparing her to just "any rational person." She has that whole supernatural thing going on.
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04-28-2014 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
I thought he was going AWOL from the Night's Watch because he was scared of the White Walkers, not trying to warn everyone?
I remembered him saying something like "I know my life is forfeit, but..." so I looked it up. This is the third paragraph of the HBO website's recap of that scene:

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On a hillside outside the castle walls, the ranger Will stands before Ned, understanding that his sentence is death but swearing that he saw White Walkers. Ned draws his family's ancient blade, called Ice, and metes out the punishment as his sons - even young Bran - look on. Afterward, he tells his the boy: "Our way is the old way. The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword." When Bran asks his father if the deserter really saw the White Walkers, Ned assures him that they've been gone for thousands of years.
So, I'd agree he ran because he was scared, since he would have just gone back to the Wall otherwise, but he also made a really important point that he actually saw a White Walker, and even ol' Winter-Is-Coming painty-can Ned didn't believe him. (At the start of this series, it was believed magic and magical beings didn't exist anymore, until Dany's dragons were born. The Wall was just a place criminals, misfits, and ****offs were sent to deal with the occasional Wildling raid.)
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04-28-2014 , 09:47 PM
It's certainly not clear that they aren't just evil, but I don't think you really get the world if you just say anything is obviously "evil". Especially with some snarky comment.
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04-28-2014 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by mw828
I thought it was kind of funny that the shock ending was that the white walker king turns the babies into little walkers. I mean, only everyone on earth assumed that.
Yeah I didn't really get why that was filmed like some ZOMG moment.
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04-28-2014 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Yeah I didn't really get why that was filmed like some ZOMG moment.
Very minor book content that is in no way a spoiler, and actually pretty lol for TV viewers, but spoiling just in case:

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It spoiled book readers. They never saw what happened with Crasters kids, plenty were mad
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04-28-2014 , 09:59 PM
haha thats great

lol book readers
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04-28-2014 , 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by chim17
Very minor book content that is in no way a spoiler, and actually pretty lol for TV viewers, but spoiling just in case:

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It spoiled book readers. They never saw what happened with Crasters kids, plenty were mad
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Why would this make book readers mad?
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04-28-2014 , 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
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Why would this make book readers mad?
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Because there was some question about the things surrounding this issue, and the episode ended plenty of speculation.
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04-28-2014 , 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by chim17
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Because there was some question about the things surrounding this issue, and the episode ended plenty of speculation.
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lol bookreaders
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04-28-2014 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
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Why would this make book readers mad?
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some are mad bc they don't get to be all smug about everything and i guess maybe they don't trust the show runners? but mostly the smug thing. i have a smug ass book reader coworker who was legit rustled that they were spoiling the books.. but like.. there's only going to be more and more..

i kinda love it because now i can pretty much say that i don't know whats going to happen on the show in a lot of areas, whereas before this i couldn't really say that

there are a bunch of people on reddit who share my sentiment as well. i wouldn't say its 50/50 i think most people are just happy for more content in this universe bc GRRM is taking his sweet ass time
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04-28-2014 , 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by chim17
It's certainly not clear that they aren't just evil, but I don't think you really get the world if you just say anything is obviously "evil". Especially with some snarky comment.
Oh, I think a little snark is fair when someone says he's actually rooting for them. I mean, what exactly do we know about the White Walkers, and what have we seen them doing? I mean, objectively? I don't think we've gotten much of a sense of their rich internal lives, either. It's an interesting perspective insofar that you can make an argument for it if you think the humans in Westeros really, really suck, but that would be kind of a snarky position, too. I mean, just the fact that "pure evil" is still in play suggests a deliberately one-dimensional portrait.

I mean, perhaps in some grander cosmic sense there is no objective evil, but from the perspective of a human anywhere in that universe, I don't think there's much moral ambiguity about it. I mean, the humans built a giant magical wall to keep themselves safe from them. As long as this story is told from the humans' perspective, the White Walkers seem to be about as "evil", or at least destructive, as can be.
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04-28-2014 , 10:22 PM
I mean, I'm not trying to be an ass about this or anything. I just thought "Go White Walkers!" was a funny position to take.
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04-28-2014 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
I mean, I'm not trying to be an ass about this or anything. I just thought "Go White Walkers!" was a funny position to take.
i mean it is
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04-28-2014 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
I mean, I'm not trying to be an ass about this or anything. I just thought "Go White Walkers!" was a funny position to take.
It really is

Also, forgot to mention. I caught some of John Oliver's show and lol'ed quite a bit. A once a week 30 min news show is kind of a weird concept though.
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04-28-2014 , 10:27 PM
Sure it's a funny position, but do we objectively know they are trying to end the human race?
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04-28-2014 , 10:30 PM
Good:
Littlefinger
Jamie/Tyrion and Jamie/Brienne
Marg/Olenna and Marg/Tommen

Sucked:
Dany, I mean GOOD GOD if you're gonna devote a quarter of your series to someone at least have something happen once in awhile
Bran - I am so sick of him
The lack of Arya/Hound was disappointing, could say the same about Tywin. But meh
And lastly, holy ****, I will never rewatch that episode even though I thought it was good. The reason: cannot stand the baby crying sound. Absolutely awful. Two things that I do not tolerate in TV/movies: Alarm clocks and babies crying. Absolutely the worst.
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