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03-10-2014 , 08:16 PM
wow that ootv thread is hard to read

thought TD ending was fine. definitely thought the carcosa scene was really suspenseful

thought MM and WH were amazing the whole show

season is def a legit A
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03-10-2014 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
The problem with this is that that isn't actually the profile of all the people who are involved. The Tuttle family, the actual upstanding pillar of society types, are clearly involved (the videotape found in the safe, etc). Where the show fell down was that it didn't even attempt to explain the connection between that and some deranged fat moron in the swamps ****ing his sister and slaughtering people.


I still give the show an A+. The acting, direction, characterization, atmospherics, dialogue, etc etc are fantastic. I don't think it stuck the landing as well as it could.
They explained it more than once. Sam Tuttle fathered a bunch of bastard children, including the Childresses. All his progeny he apparently raised to believe in this bizarre Carcosa cult, which is mostly a thinly-veiled justification for child rape and murder, and the older men (Billy Lee Tuttle, Billy Childress, maybe even Edwin Tuttle) participated in the rituals and passed on their beliefs to their children, including Errol, who is sort of the natural endpoint to this deranged belief system and treatment of children.

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EDIT: I do have to say that if there's a real hole in the story, it's probably the part where Tuttle is able to convince a large group of powerful-in-their-own-right people to tolerate the systematic kidnapping, rape, torture and murder of children for ritualistic pseudo-religious purposes without ever really explaining what the benefit to them is. Some money or campaign support? He founds schools where kids go missing? Don't the teachers notice? Really?

Maybe I'm naive though, it's not like human trafficking can possibly exist without some empowerment.
I don't think it's a large group. Just a few people with the right family connections. And they might not even need convincing-- it wouldn't be hard to picture, say, Ted Childress recognizing that a missing girl or a murder shows signs of being a victim of the Carcosa Cult, and, knowing that it's family that participates in that stuff, buries it for that reason.

And, of course, they pick children whom they think won't be missed and/or whom no one will have the means or ability to look for.
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03-10-2014 , 08:29 PM
nath,

What's your take on Geraci? He struck me as lying to cover his tracks, but not lying about what he knew about the rapes/murders. Incompetent and not a good guy, but not on a par with the Tuttles/Childresses. Worthy of getting his car shot up, but not his head blown off.
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03-10-2014 , 08:50 PM
I loved the TD ending.
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03-10-2014 , 10:06 PM
Putting a nice bow around the show felt a bit strange. Could have dug Rust just staring out the hospital window aimlessly. Thought the finale was solid though.
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03-10-2014 , 10:14 PM
Wow. The guy on the Bachelor picked the hottest girl on the show. The twists and turns along the way were epic.
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03-10-2014 , 10:38 PM
Ya NIKKI
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03-10-2014 , 11:02 PM
didn't watch- cliffs on Claire's breakdown? I assume she was MAD and it probably took her like 30 minutes to say her 12 words.
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03-10-2014 , 11:58 PM
What did you guys think of the episode of Girls after TD? Pretty good right?
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03-11-2014 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by aejones
why i didn't think it was amazing
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at this point my standards for tv shows might be a little high, but i like to see shows that think outside the box a bit. i think this show had a golden opportunity in that it could have ended without a silly gory five minute scene with a stab wound that looked quite unsurvivable to me and the ol double back victim becomes the shooter ending. had woody just shot the guy in a pretty timely manner i would have liked that more. had there been no penultimate fight i would ahve been even happier-- the show just didn't have to go that way.

also i just feel like there weren't a lot of answers, it's just a farm guy? what specifically did he do to his victims (it seems like quite a bit of random raping/killing, and i guess if that's waht it is then okay, but with serial killer type i guess i expected it to be more than "he rapes some random girls/boys and ties ppl to beds and tortures them and sometimes he buries the body in the yard and osmetimes he puts it under a tree with a crown of thorns")?

anyway, i only watched it once through and i really enjoyed it overall, think the acting was awesome, etc. i just wish more shows would challenge the status quo/red herring stuff (aka i wish more shows were GOT obv)

edit: i find it pretty likely that i missed some key points elements to the show that tied together a little more behind the bad guy besides "aha! he was here in plain sight all along!"
The corpse on the bed I'm pretty sure is his father, sheriff Childress. Kinda a snake-eating-its-own-tail thing.
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03-11-2014 , 01:54 AM
I can't fathom watching that and thinking it was bad. Unless you really wanted the Scarman to be sitting on a throne of bones while sending a horde of crazy incest children after Rust or something.

Also I haven't really followed this thread much, but here's a crazy ass story from nath's neck of the woods that has some TDish elements to it but is actually true:

https://medium.com/news-and-politics/d1b813e13581
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03-11-2014 , 03:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Horton
nath,

What's your take on Geraci? He struck me as lying to cover his tracks, but not lying about what he knew about the rapes/murders. Incompetent and not a good guy, but not on a par with the Tuttles/Childresses. Worthy of getting his car shot up, but not his head blown off.
I don't think he was lying, really: I do think he may have had his suspicions or even pushed enough that he was asked to drop it, and ultimately he did. I don't think he altered the report.

I've watched the episode again since last night and although I had an inkling of Geraci's story function, I didn't quite put it together until now. Geraci is the reason there is no larger cult, no vast conspiracy. There doesn't need to be. There only needs to be enough men like Steve Geraci, men who simply don't question "the big man", men who are happy to go with the flow and not make waves, especially if they benefit from it, rather than dig deeper and do the right thing. It's why the family only needed a handful of people in the right places to cover up the crimes.
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03-11-2014 , 04:37 AM
im a bit disappointed they didnt tortue geraci.
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03-11-2014 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
I don't really care how it ends as long as it's good.

The bads in the Oottv thread are bad cause they will argue to the death about dumb **** that doesn't matter. Happens in every big thread and it killed the Breaking Bad thread.

Important stuff like character development becomes side note in there. I've really enjoyed the small progression of Rust's personal development. The scene where Marty remarks that Rust has never asked him a personal question signified that to me. Maybe Marty reevaluated his thoughts on Rust right there. I'd like to think he realized that Rust must have still considered him a friend all along and after all this time.. And for Rust to have finally asked then maybe it was his way of trying to make an actual personal connection again with someone who he genuinely likes.

But no let's talk about how the wife is the mastermind of the whole plot.
Oh look, I decided to take the show as intended and got rewarded for it with proper execution.

Suck it nits. Suck it long, Suck it hard.
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03-11-2014 , 08:47 AM
Just started TD recently. Look forward to marathoning through it. Hopefully its as good as everyone is saying it is.
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03-11-2014 , 10:08 AM
Call me, Clare

lol Juan Pablo
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03-11-2014 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by BobboFitos
im a bit disappointed they didnt tortue geraci.
why? what they did to him was way way more awesome.
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03-11-2014 , 11:13 AM
Had a question about the finale.. one of my main issues is how utterly stupid the green paint breakthrough was. They see house, interview lady, find out it was Childress family, right?

Didn't black lady say the man with scars was a Childress or am I not remembering that scene correctly? If she did, why wouldn't they look for Childress house way before the house painting thing?
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03-11-2014 , 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by chim17
Had a question about the finale.. one of my main issues is how utterly stupid the green paint breakthrough was. They see house, interview lady, find out it was Childress family, right?

Didn't black lady say the man with scars was a Childress or am I not remembering that scene correctly? If she did, why wouldn't they look for Childress house way before the house painting thing?
Maybe the deed wasn't in Childress' name.

They found the tax return, which I don't know if there's some sort of database a PI can get access to with that sort of info. From that, they found the business name. Businesses have to register with the state, and that's public info that's generally found online. The address used to register the business was Errol's house.
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03-11-2014 , 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by ludacris
Maybe the deed wasn't in Childress' name.

They found the tax return, which I don't know if there's some sort of database a PI can get access to with that sort of info. From that, they found the business name. Businesses have to register with the state, and that's public info that's generally found online. The address used to register the business was Errol's house.
Wasn't the business called like... Childress and sons?
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03-11-2014 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by chim17
Wasn't the business called like... Childress and sons?
Yes. I imagine in 1995 business registrations weren't digitized and would be harder to find. Could still be a plothole, though.
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03-11-2014 , 11:30 AM
I guess that explains my disappointment. From a seemingly great writer we get this amazingly deep show that resolves with a house being painted and the home owner itemizing exactly one thing on his taxes.

Agreed it's my fault for having higher expectations, but the resolution was just so weak.
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03-11-2014 , 11:39 AM
Except dead cases usually stay dead unless some minutia is found in paperwork which usually starts with taxes. Didn't bother me at all.
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03-11-2014 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by chim17
I guess that explains my disappointment. From a seemingly great writer we get this amazingly deep show that resolves with a house being painted and the home owner itemizing exactly one thing on his taxes.

Agreed it's my fault for having higher expectations, but the resolution was just so weak.
Niiiiiiiiiiiiiit

Nit

Nitty Nit nit

Son of Sam was caught cause of a parking ticket.

I'd say stupid **** like that is exactly how you catch serial killers who are on the prowl for 20 years.
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03-11-2014 , 11:43 AM
Nah, the resolution was weak. Most of the damn show didn't even matter.

Ya, ya, I get this is supposed to be a character examination, I just expected more from the actual plot.

edit: And as stated, I'm willing to admit the problem is with my expectations.
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