Okay, so my little nieces and nephews were over and they brought with them the movie "Secretariat". I thought, "why not." It's got Diane Lane in it; a fine piece of @rss if i ever saw one.

I don't care if Disney took some serious liberties with the movie; it was darn entertaining. I really liked it.

I did some study up on this horse afterwards. Wanted to see who its grandpappies and grandmommies were.

I love this freaking horse

Especially after watching John Malkovich and Diane Lane in a pretty good movie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky_Derby

1973 Secretariat † Ron Turcotte Lucien Laurin Meadow Stable 1:59.40 I
1972 Riva Ridge Ron Turcotte Lucien Laurin Meadow Stud 2:01.80

Kentucky Derby & Belmont records still stand today

http://horseracing.about.com/od/kent...0fastderby.htm


Kentucky derby


Preakness


Secretariat - Belmont Stakes 1973




http://www.drf.com/news/secretariat-...ts-not-history

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A mare is an adult female horse or other equine. In most cases, a mare is a female horse over the age of three

The male parent of a horse, a stallion, is commonly known as the sire

below is Secretariat's lineage chart:
http://www.pedigreequery.com/secretariat

SECRETARIAT'S -- PARENTS & GRANDPARENTS going all the way back to the 1900's ----- pink color is female and blue is male

http://www.pedigreequery.com/secretariat

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Interesting sidenote.... in the movie they mention Secretariat's Grandpappy --- PrinceQuillo from his mother's side

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princequillo

Princequillo (1940-1964) was a Thoroughbred racehorse conceived in France and born in Ireland. He is known for his performances in long-distance races and his successes as a sire.


His sire, Prince Rose, stood at the Haras de Cheffreville stud farm in France and was mated to the mare Cosquilla. When World War II broke out, the pregnant mare was shipped to Ireland, where she gave birth to Princequillo. Considering the danger from German bombing and the likelihood there would be no racing for some considerable time, Cosquilla's owners shipped her and her colt to the United States.[1

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If I remember correctly from the movie Secretariat's daddy(Sire) (Bold Ruler) was a speed horse but faded at distance...... but Secretariat got his long-distance from his grandpappy which would be his momma's side of the family (Secretariat's momma -- SomethingRoyal). This was won in a coin toss with some rich guy diane lane's daddy was friends with.


Secretariat died October 4th 1989
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Uhhh, you forgot something

3:02 mark theme song to movie --- "Oh Happy Day" --terrible sound quality

Great horse.... had alot more under the hood than the competition.

From wiki

This thread just made me watch Seabiscuit. That was a couple hours well spent, imo.

Seabiscuit is next on my list.... in to horse movies all of a sudden

Yeah, but could it dunk on LeBron?

Is there a reason why you are trolling a serious thread?

Lebron is widely considered the least clutch NBA player of all time. Secretariat IS the greatest horse of all time. What makes you think this question even needs to be asked?

OF COURSE it can dunk on Lebron.

Bet its more clutch !

black caviar > this lol horse. can't get any more clutch than undefeated

Frankel tho

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretariat_%28horse%29

I forgot to add the wiki link to the greatest horse who ever lived.... thanks pokerbobo.....

i wanted to see if this horse you mentioned from Wiki who had the double sized heart (Eclipse) was in my Lineage chart and it isn't, but that's because it was born around 1879.


http://www.pedigreequery.com/secretariat


wish I knew what part of the tree Eclipse came from???? anyone know.... i would really like to know.


I was doing research on the horse "SHAM" Secretariat's main competetitor in these races. Sham had a heart the was double in size also but sham got smoked in the Blemont ---- WATCH THE BELMONT RACE SHAM RAN NECK AND NECK RIGHT FROM THE GATE TILL HE COULDN'T TAKE IT ANY LONGER AND GAVE IN.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sham_%28horse%29

Sham (April 9, 1970–April 3, 1993), an American thoroughbred race horse, was one of the fastest horses of the 20th century, but was overshadowed by his larger-than-life peer and half-cousin, Secretariat. He was a dark seal brown in color. While racing, he wore green and yellow blinkers. His preferred running style was that of a stalker.

He died of a heart attack on April 3, 1993 at the age 23. At autopsy, his (SHAM) heart was found to weigh 18 pounds, about twice the average Thoroughbred heart. He is buried on the Walmac farm.

what a great photo

it was a great ending to the movie, but i wish they would have stretched it out longer as they played the theme song. they could have used more slow motion shots of the horse's hoofs slamming into the dirt. ...some more flashing photos from the stands....

maybe pan over to diane lane, flash a few memory shots of the colt as it's first standing up trotting in the Meadow Stable's fields (nothing more than 8 seconds or so),,,, but it was over too quick.

just 30 seconds longer would have been enough (catchy upbeat tune)....cause then the movie was over.



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McBeef,

it had a tooth abcess when it lost an important race (Wood Memorial??).... other races it lost were against older horses...... it came back to smoke them and set records that still stand today on the racetracks.


from wiki:

....Secretariat was then moved to the turf to defeat his opposition in both the Man O' War Stakes (1 1⁄2 miles) by five lengths Tentam, setting a still-standing track record time of 2:24 4⁄5.

lol English racing, is that like NFL Europe?

I think the joke is on you my friend.



Frankel and Black Caviar are head and shoulders above the rest.

*Rankings are up to Oct last year, Black Caviar is from down under and has ran a few races since then, winning all of them.

Rankings put up by Europeans, lol. Have fun with the minor leagues of racing. That would be like me saying MLS teams can compete with the EPL.

Im not bashing your racing over there, more pointing out just how good both Frankel and Black Caviar are which you seem to be comically dismissing. I think most people within the horse racing world consider them the best in the business right now.

The big difference is that they run on turf rather than dirt which is what the big races in America are ran on (I think).

Here is an excel document with a full list of ratings

I don't know much of anything about the sport, only been to 2 horse tracks in my life.... i think one was Arlington Park somewhere in the Western burbs of Chicago.

These days can't they use Ultrasound or X-ray to determine the size of the horse's heart size instead of waiting to do the autopsy?

don't know anything about this Black Caviar horse, but I be liking this Frankel but he's a young one (maybe he's not so young---is he 3yrs old??) who runs short races it seems to me from his wiki page.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankel_%28horse%29

has he run the mile and a half yet?

i wanna see what this bad boy's got under the hood -- can he compete for the long haul?


until we see the goods...... he can't carry Secretariat's Jock Strap



EDIT: i see his birthdate ...he's 4 years old (frankel)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Caviar_%28horse%29

just looked at wiki page.... these are nothing more than speed horses..... nothing against sprint horses.... great adrenalin rush..... must be fun to watch.... i guess they would smoke secretariat's ass cause he doesn't race in these little puny 1000m and 1200 meter races

for clarification 1200 meters = .745 miles .... 1000 meters = .62 mile

http://www.metric-conversions.org/le...s-to-miles.htm


Black Caviar (foaled 18 August 2006) is an undefeated Australian Thoroughbred racehorse, considered to be the best sprinter in the world


Black Caviar

They are upping him in trip this upcoming season. I think he going up to a mile and a quarter. The original plan was to retire him after the 2011 season but he's just too damn good to do it. Thankfully his owner Sir Henry Cecil has opted to let him loose in 2012.

Edit:

Here are quotes from Cecil from a few months ago regarding the 2012 season for Frankel.

kevin, since i know nothing about horseracing --only been to the track twice.... i sit in the Vegas (sportsbook/horse race watching area) only for the free drinks.... (only kidding, mostly just watch sports)

In Europe is it mostly turf they run on? How much of it is dirt track? is always just sprint?

Who would win a race between Secretariat and Frankel at mile and 3/8ths?



BTW --- the horse "Frankel" is named after Bethenney of Real Housewives of New York the daughter of the California trainer--- they didn't talk for 15 years or so before he died. She brewed up "Skinny Girl" cocktails and sold it to Jim Beam Inc for like $85 to $110 million dollars.

Freaking A some people have all the luck. http://www.skinnygirlcocktails.com/

Bethenny Frankel





edit: QUESTION: can you stud these horses such as Black Caviar while they are still racing as 4, 5 and 6 year olds? How about Frankel as a 3 and 4 year old?

I was clearly trolling you in the first post, I had to follow it up after your response

So for you horse racing experts how do we measure greatness across the century even going back to the late 1800's -- including some of the horses such as Eclipse year 1775 which is where I am almost positive Secretariat inherited his extra large heart from.

EDIT:The mutation large heart was found in the horse Eclipse at autopsy in 1789. Eclipse's heart weighed 14 lbs.


Where does Man'oWar and SeaBiscuit fit in with all the others including these recent speed demons being mentioned -- Frankel and Black Caviar?

What's the measuring stick? Wins, win loss record? Distance records? Longevity?