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Second best AFC East QB of the Brady era?

View Poll Results: who wears the silver crown?

Mark Sanchez

7 20.00%

Drew Bledsoe

10 28.57%

Chad Pennington

16 45.71%

Garoppolo/Hoyer/Cassel/Brissett

2 5.71%

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01-10-2017 , 03:55 AM

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Just went back to look at some stats and holy **** Vinny Testaverde threw 267 career picks.

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01-10-2017 , 10:29 AM

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Just went back to look at some stats and holy **** Vinny Testaverde threw 267 career picks.

His nickname was Interceptaverde for a reason.

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01-10-2017 , 10:31 AM

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Brady is the right answer after the Peyton realization

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01-10-2017 , 10:54 AM

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good to see the Peyton truthers still kicking around

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01-10-2017 , 12:19 PM

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Brady is like the 3rd best QB for the patriots during the Brady era

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01-10-2017 , 01:23 PM

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The Peyton that threw for 23 picks that year? The Dome made his numbers look slightly better - dude had more INTs than TDs when he had to play outside.

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01-10-2017 , 04:14 PM

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look I am the last person to argue that quality quarterback play is the end-all and be-all. heck it doesn't take much thought to think of some really good examples like the super bowl winning Bucs, the Dilfer ravens in 2000 and

look man it's hard to find other examples bc Tom Brady has won very many Super Bowls so your sample of "quarterbacks who won the Super Bowls that Tom Brady didn't win" gets very very small

still, don't forget Eli winning twice! and Joe Flacco! and christ almost Colin Kaepernick!

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01-10-2017 , 04:30 PM

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bradys best divisional competition in 16 years has been Chad Pennington. or Favre for one year.

Eli won twice! is not an argument against that

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01-10-2017 , 04:34 PM

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The Peyton that threw for 23 picks that year? The Dome made his numbers look slightly better - dude had more INTs than TDs when he had to play outside.

Yeah, that's the Peyton we're all talking about.... What's your point?

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01-10-2017 , 04:43 PM

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bradys best divisional competition in 16 years has been Chad Pennington. or Favre for one year.

Eli won twice! is not an argument against that

it's just so strange that the Patriots haven't been able to beat AFC East teams at a higher rate than they've been able to beat teams outside the AFC East. Even though when they play other divisions, they've had to play a whole bunch of first place finishers. Strange!

What do you think is the better explanation:

1) the entire NFL besides Patriots has been very very bad the entire time Tom Brady has been in the NFL
2) the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets, on average, have been pretty representative of the rest of the NFL over the long term

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01-10-2017 , 04:46 PM

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Schlitz wins this thread

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01-10-2017 , 04:52 PM

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3) the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets had a running and evolving gameplan for them that random teams didn't due to playing them twice a year, every year.

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01-10-2017 , 04:52 PM

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Seems to me like Brady doesn't take division games seriously enough

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01-10-2017 , 04:58 PM

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3) the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets had a running and evolving gameplan for them that random teams didn't due to playing them twice a year, every year.

do these other teams have access to film? if the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets are so good at gameplanning, they couldn't use this win other games as well?

or is that, for instance, the NYJ strategy was hard to duplicate because other teams didn't have Darrelle Revis?

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01-10-2017 , 05:01 PM

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do these other teams have access to film? if the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets are so good at gameplanning, they couldn't use this win other games as well?

or is that, for instance, the NYJ strategy was hard to duplicate because other teams didn't have Darrelle Revis?

lol

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01-10-2017 , 05:02 PM

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3) the patriots are really good, and the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets are never really good? they have consistently assembled remarkably average, non-threatening teams that pose essentially no threat to steal the division from a team with an elite QB/coach. in 48 combined seasons the best QB they managed to trot out was Chad pennington (check the poll results)

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01-10-2017 , 05:06 PM

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That wouldn't explain why the Patriots don't beat them more consistently tho. How do you explain the incongruity?

The answer is clearly that Buffalo is emblematic of the average team, despite it's 0 PO appearances during that time, according to KBZ. He presented a false dichotomy which portrays the Pats in the best possible light, shocker.

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01-10-2017 , 05:46 PM

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That wouldn't explain why the Patriots don't beat them more consistently tho. How do you explain the incongruity?

The answer is clearly that Buffalo is emblematic of the average team, despite it's 0 PO appearances during that time, according to KBZ. He presented a false dichotomy which portrays the Pats in the best possible light, shocker.

no, I'm saying that it looks like the cumulative average quality of (Buffalo + Miami + NYJ) over the last 16ish years ends up looking pretty close to the average of (the 28 non AFC East teams). which should make sense, NFL teams tend to regress to the mean and we're talking long term average here

more directly I'm saying that the Patriots haven't gained any advantage (compared to say, the Colts or Steelers or the Broncos) from playing in the AFC East. For that to be true, you'd see that the Pats Win % is much better within the AFC East, than outside, and it isn't.

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01-10-2017 , 05:55 PM

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teams who have **** quarterbacks often manage to put together pretty decent teams that are generally non-threats to win the division and especially non-threats in the playoff. teams like this years Texans, Broncos, Bengals, Dolphins, Bills, Vikings, Cardinals, Eagles, and so on

just so you know, we aren't going to see Osweiler, Simien, Tannehill, Bradford, Tyrod, Palmer, Wentz, etc. go 12-4 or 13-3 anytime soon. I know that might surprise some patriots fans but it's true

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01-10-2017 , 05:59 PM

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just so you know, we aren't going to see Osweiler, Simien, Tannehill, Bradford, Tyrod, Palmer, Wentz, etc. go 12-4 or 13-3 anytime soon. I know that might surprise some patriots fans but it's true

lol, you're posting this one year after Osweiler went 5-2 with the Broncos. Colin Kaepernick went 5-2 and then went 12-4. Mark Sanchez won 11 games playing in the same division as the Pats!! how is that even possible?

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01-10-2017 , 06:02 PM

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and just for reference the #'s I'm using:

Brady's record (as of October this year) vs each division. Overall he was at 76.7% vs the AFC East and 76.0% against everyone else. what an edge he's gotten! just imagine the bellyaching had he been able to play in the AFC South.

Vs. the AFC South: 33-6 (.846)
Vs. the NFC North: 14-3 (.824)
Vs. the AFC North: 28-7 (.800)
Vs. the AFC East: 66-20 (.767)
Vs. the NFC East: 14-5 (.737)
Vs. the AFC West: 22-14 (.611)

an inconvenient truth for some

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01-10-2017 , 06:05 PM

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the only good team in the AFC East outside the Pats in the last 16 years has been the '09/'10 Jets. and their quarterback was mark sanchez. that's out of 48 seasons.

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01-10-2017 , 06:07 PM

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2006 Rex Grossman tho.

http://www.pro-football-reference.co...G/GrosRe00.htm

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01-10-2017 , 06:08 PM

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the only good team in the AFC East outside the Pats in the last 16 years has been the '09/'10 Jets. and their quarterback was mark sanchez. that's out of 48 seasons.

well, if that's the case you're gonna have to explain to me how and why the Pats have been so abysmal against this lineup of minor league teams yet solid against the rest of the decent NFL. bc the results sure don't reflect that. if Brady is 76% against the non AFC East, shouldn't he be like 90% against a collection of all bad teams?

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01-10-2017 , 06:10 PM

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no I don't. it would be harder for the Pats to get 1 and 2 seeds (and 3s and 4s) every year if there was an ocassional good team in the division. there isn't.

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