You mean, except in 2004 and 2010?

We're going in circles b/c you're repeatedly ignoring this. Go do this DVOA analysis for 4 divisions which you think clearly produced more "good/elite" teams in the same year than the AFC East has in the BB/Brady era. I'm using objective unbiased data here, why don't you do the same.

if you can't find them or are too lazy to find them or are just going to fall back on "well it's obvious!" then please stop. Either prove your point or stop trolling but simply stating your opinion over and over again is useless. Use whatever cutoff you want.


2001 AFC East! (NYJ #9, MIA #10, Pats #11 per DVOA)
Or in the 2002 AFC East! (MIA #3, Pats #7)
Or in the 2003 AFC East! (Pats #4, MIA #9)
Or in the 2004 AFC East! (Pats #2, BUF #3, NYJ #4)
Or in the 2009 AFC East! (Pats #1, NYJ #9)
Or in the 2010 AFC East! (Pats #1, NYJ #6)
Or in the 2011 AFC East! (Pats #3, NYJ #10)
Or in the 2014 AFC East! (Pats #4, BUF #9)
Or in the 2015 AFC East! (Pats #5, NYJ #9)

Spoiler: I think you probably could! But my *guess* is that you are spending all this time complaining that instead of producing 2 elite teams 3 times in 16 years, the AFC East has only done it twice, and this really much ado about not much.

I've already copped to recency bias and have recently goalpost shifted to the last 10 years. but you still don't get to count 2010 as elite. not top 5, not that good of a dvoa, even worse when weighted, sanchez QB, etc.


you keep reposting this. finding two teams isn't necessary for my point. obviously it will be hard to find a team as elite as NE (the most elite team ever over a long stretch) constantly sharing top 5 dvoa with a team in their division. the point is all the other divisions see teams have pronounced peaks. which would prove to be an issue for the patriots if they shared a division. they don't, and a team in the AFC east hasn't produced a pronounced peak in 10 years (save for the debatable 2010 Jets)

Stupid pats, they should have fitted in a couple of losing seasons over the last 15 years so that people would have more respect for them coz it allowed other teams in the division to string together a couple of division titles so they could have a "pronounced peak"

Pennington before he lost his rotator cuff is obviously correct and he still might be after it.

I'm a bears fan so none of you get any sympathy.

I think you're confused. or I'm confused. but isn't the bolded exactly the point? you are pointing out that in recent years the AFC East hasn't had a second team rise to an elite level to challenge the division leader, and I'm just saying "show me all the divisions where that has happened". That means 2 elite teams (as you define it, Top 5 in DVOA) in the same division in the same year.

Sure it, happens, like SEA/ARI last year and recently before that SEA/SF. But Peyton had a long run in Indy where it happened maybe one year? Who has risen up in the NFC North to challenge the Aaron Rodgers Packers? (Looking quickly) I don't see a single year that Aaron Rodgers has competed against a Top 5 DVOA team in the NFC North

Shocking that a thread about the AFC East would lead to a Pats trollers vs Pats defenders argument

2 top 5 teams in the same division would happen less than 10% of the time just from a math standpoint, so can't be too many examples of those

I think Tyrod deserves a spot somewhere in the top 10

Ray Lucas

You go wash your mouth out with soap.

That turd completely ruined the 2002 Dolphins.

Chad Pennington, the proto Alex Smith, underrated ITT

Kind of crazy that anyone would believe the Brady/Bill era hasn't somewhat benefited from the division they've played football in.

Y'all should be debating how much that benefit actually is not if it exists.

Read the thread bro.

Since 2002 patriots vs afc east 77.7%. Vs other teams 76.6%.

Ban

Pennington #1, Fiedler probably #2

one of these things is not like the others

Second best AFC East QB traded away for a 3rd to the Saints.

The Patriots were +111 during the regular season.

They were +110 against the AFC East.

Are we taking into account just their years in the AFC East or their entire career?

If it's the former, Chad Pennington. The latter, Brett Favre.

I'm pretty sure the answer is either Edelman or Amendola.

you guys argue about the stupidest ****