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02-26-2012 , 05:13 PM
Something hasn't been right about Lin from the beginning. First, he won't tell us who he is until the end which is just anti-village play. Second, uhhh, I mean I don't have anything specific just a feel thing but I've been wrong on everything so far why stop now?
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02-26-2012 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ut2010
Has mjw said why he thinks Auger would do that? Just laughing it off is not going to work. Although I didn't really believe Geddy either.
I've said why I think he would have done it about twenty times but no one seems to have read it.

I believe that he got information that would make me look like a wolf. He obviously knew I wasn't a wolf, but he could convince the village that he got good information that strongly implies I am a wolf. So, he brought that to the village with the hopes that it would get me mislynched. Then, when my exact role is revealed and I flipped villager, he could cover his own ass by saying exactly what information he got and there would be a reasonable inference that he was wolf hunting. So it would help him kill a villager and potentially clear himself. The wolves were in really bad shape at that point, so a risky move like that was well worth it.

Working under that assumption, the only reason that I can think of for him to die is that someone knew that he was lying. The only way they could have known that is if they peeked me. Hence why I think Steroid Boy is a neutral.
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02-26-2012 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by atakdog
The list of people who aren't cleared in one way or another mecahancally (from goofy's list):

ASPoker8
atakdog
Geddy Lee
ItsRainingMen
Lin
mjw0586
schu_22
TJayBird
ut2010
zdye724

Except Geddy shouldn't be on it afaict.

Cross out the ones who voted noze, and we have:

ASPoker8
atakdog
Geddy Lee
ItsRainingMen
Lin
mjw0586
schu_22
TJayBird
ut2010
zdye724

And of course TJ's vote does look worst.
Reminding myself of this. For some reason vix wasn't on this and I don't know how he was wrt to the nozecandy lynch, but I do think this was a key lynch and should help guide us today. Of those who look to be possible lynch candidates today, only TJ and schu (and vix?) look bad.

schu looked quite bad in this lynch, as slighted showed.

An interesting point is that TJ's read of schu is a massive multiquote that says basically nothing. That doesn't make him (TJ) a wolf, but it does mean that no one should be clearing him just for having done a lot of work yesterday. (schu pointed this out already; I didn't assess it until now.)

I seem to have missed schu's read of TJ. schu, could you direct me to it?
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02-26-2012 , 05:19 PM
Votes as of post 7103
Night in 04:41

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VotesLynchVoters
4 zdye724 Hold'em 07 (8), atakdog (21), g-bebe (2), mjw0586 (9)
3 vixticator Lin (2), schu_22 (7), zdye724 (19)
2 Lin ut2010 (24), vixticator (10)
2 mjw0586 ItsRainingMen (8), Steroid Boy (4)
1 schu_22 TJayBird (6)
2 not voting goofyballer (7), ASPoker8 (2)
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02-26-2012 , 05:19 PM
Assuming nobody is in deep cover and all cleared are villagers........

ASPoker8
atakdog
ItsRainingMen
Lin
mjw0586
schu_22
TJayBird
ut2010
zdye724

First I'd never lynch IRM or atakdog.... I think Lin/schu is best today. Why has schu been a wagon like 4 times and never been lynched? It's unusual.
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02-26-2012 , 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by atakdog
I seem to have missed schu's read of TJ. schu, could you direct me to it?
I didn't read TJay yesterday, I read ut2010. Although I think TJay is a great lynch and have said so several times and voted him more than once iirc over the last few days. If you're looking for something more specific I can probably find it for you
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02-26-2012 , 05:21 PM
Yeah one of the uncleared is obviously the other healer. Think he can easily clear up himself and zyde. Well he can't clear zyde but simply that he healed him.
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02-26-2012 , 05:23 PM
My reads on "everyone else" list:

- aspoker8: says he can clear himself, should maybe do so if he's being roleblocked
- atakdog: could potentially be neutral? dunno.
- IRM: either playing the GOAT villager game with incredible modesty or has no problem bussing his entire wolf team
- Lin: meh
- mjw: meh
- schu: meh
- tjay: meh
- ut2010: doing solid villagery work, don't want to kill him anytime soon
- zdye: no idea
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02-26-2012 , 05:23 PM
Also I'd snap lynch the next person to claim unless it is ironclad
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02-26-2012 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ut2010
Yeah one of the uncleared is obviously the other healer. Think he can easily clear up himself and zyde. Well he can't clear zyde but simply that he healed him.
Healer outs himself = he gets roleblocked, I die tonight
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02-26-2012 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
Something hasn't been right about Lin from the beginning. First, he won't tell us who he is until the end which is just anti-village play. Second, uhhh, I mean I don't have anything specific just a feel thing but I've been wrong on everything so far why stop now?
Re the first part: As someone who regularly gets wagoned for who he is, I totally nderstand his desire to remain anonymous. You're correct that it's somewhat anti-village, but since he did tell us that he's experienced it really isn't that bad, and I for one am respecting his right to do this. That's just my personal feeling and in someone else's position I'd probably be annoyed, but at this point it should be clear that he's not going to tell us, and I'm telling you (you can trust me, or not), that it's probably role-neutral (even though it's anti-village) for him not to divulge. If it were me deciding to play as an anonymous gimmick (which I've done a few times), it would be role neutral, for whatever that's worth.

I do agree that he's played the game primarily in commentator mode. Again, that's something I take **** for too so I get that some of it is natural, but I have been hoping for more from him.
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02-26-2012 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Healer outs himself = he gets roleblocked, I die tonight
+1. Seriously, healer stfu.
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02-26-2012 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
First I'd never lynch IRM or atakdog.... I think Lin/schu is best today. Why has schu been a wagon like 4 times and never been lynched? It's unusual.
Well, I was a wagon D1 after IRM decided to tunnel me. Lol Day 1, in other words. People also jumped to conclusions after Slighted? tried to kill me apparently. But I don't know how I can clear myself. I have tried to put in great work for the village. I pretty much single-handedly brought down kidcolin. I made cases against BASaint and a couple other wolves. See, like I said yesterday, nobody's case on me ever involves anything I said or did...its all stuff that other people have said about me. It is really really frustrating.
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02-26-2012 , 05:25 PM
i think it's pretty obvious now who lin is
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02-26-2012 , 05:29 PM
Lin or mjw needs to die tonight.
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02-26-2012 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by schu_22
Well, I was a wagon D1 after IRM decided to tunnel me. Lol Day 1, in other words. People also jumped to conclusions after Slighted? tried to kill me apparently. But I don't know how I can clear myself. I have tried to put in great work for the village. I pretty much single-handedly brought down kidcolin. I made cases against BASaint and a couple other wolves. See, like I said yesterday, nobody's case on me ever involves anything I said or did...its all stuff that other people have said about me. It is really really frustrating.
Remind me please. (I'm sorry, I'm sure you've said it recently; just point me.)
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02-26-2012 , 05:29 PM
The people voting me think the wolf team decided to waste the n2 kill clearing me over actually killing a seer candidate are the ones who need to explain themselves. Then there's the fact that I was fanmail's #1 advocate from once I noticed his soft claim (I start dkgo/vaya wagons on d2, or try anyways) which I reckon doesn't help idk how did the wolves respond to that initial claim?
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02-26-2012 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by atakdog
Remind me please. (I'm sorry, I'm sure you've said it recently; just point me.)
sigh. alright let me go look
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02-26-2012 , 05:31 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
how did the wolves respond to that initial claim?
Go back, find it, and tell us!
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02-26-2012 , 05:32 PM
Vix, I actually did give you some villa points because of Noze. He also spent half his day before he claimed trying to get sylar lynched because he wasn't around to defend himself.
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02-26-2012 , 05:32 PM
ut who did you sub in for again?
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02-26-2012 , 05:33 PM
Schu and IRM were the first ones on the wolf seer wagon and brought KC down. Schu wouldn't shut up about KC.
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02-26-2012 , 05:34 PM
I'm pretty sure it was sylar
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02-26-2012 , 05:34 PM
that ut subbed for
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02-26-2012 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by ut2010
Schu and IRM were the first ones on the wolf seer wagon and brought KC down. Schu wouldn't shut up about KC.
OK.
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