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02-21-2012 , 08:40 PM
basaint, thoughts on current wagons?
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02-21-2012 , 08:41 PM
Votes as of post 2450
Night in 01:20

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9 dkgojackets Auger (28), Booker Woodfox (6), Dar0 (43), fanmail (63), goofyballer (44), insanity31 (17), ItsRainingMen (28), mjw0586 (25), vixticator (59)
8 Dar0 chim17 (29), CPHoya (2), dkgojackets (15), Dyenimator (54), schu_22 (25), sylar (24), Tumaterminator (42), VayaConDios (32)
3 fanmail g-bebe (17), Nofear3838 (20), zdye724 (39)
3 TJayBird AcTiOnJaCsOn (4), hotwings18 (42), kidcolin (19)
1 atakdog BASaint (28)
1 BASaint Chilltown (19)
1 BJLTNYK Steroid Boy (35)
1 Slighted atakdog (14)
1 Steroid Boy Etats360 (12)
1 sylar ASPoker8 (6)
1 VayaConDios Slighted (38)
1 Whitegoose The Rat (2)
1 unvote TJayBird (17)
6 not voting tweedybirdd (12), BJLTNYK (4), Geddy Lee (5), Hold'em 07 (2), Nozecandy (0), Whitegoose (14)
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02-21-2012 , 08:41 PM
If you are a villager and don't know who to vote, copy off of these guys:

Canadians
fanmail
Dar0
ItsRainingMen
Chilltown
vixticator

and vote dkgojackets
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02-21-2012 , 08:41 PM
Atak dkgo is the best vote aorn, slighted is like 3rd or 4th best vote
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02-21-2012 , 08:41 PM
Your villa list is partly fine.. your presuming you are clear by any means and can order people around is ridiculous.
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02-21-2012 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by fanmail
So you name 2 wolfy things that he did, and you give him a villa lean lolwat?
Like BASaint mentioned earlier, this isn't exactly out of the ordinary for him. IMO, he's = rand to be a wolf here, which isn't a good play for a lynch.
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02-21-2012 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
basaint, thoughts on current wagons?
dar0 is alright i guess, i dont like dkgo wagon though. tbh im pretty uncomfortable with where we stand right now, i feel like theres some good cases to answer from eod1 and no one is talking about them at all

lol tuma lamenting my 'total absence' when i have 2x as many posts as him wtf
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02-21-2012 , 08:43 PM
like, dkgo being wolfy is completely standard when he is a villa.

otoh, atakdog was voted #3 best pog villager or something.
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02-21-2012 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Lolwut, pretty sure all 3 have posted. Why did you pick them out of all people when there are legitimately a bunch of people who have not posted?
Spewed villa big time here. I think a few others picked up on this too.

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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
#cmonson , I don't see how there's anything wrong with wanting to hear more from certain people. I'm on my phone and didn't know 19 people didn't post. I guess more people are slacking more than I thought.

Your call me out for not wanting to start wagons? It would be a terrible idea to wagon anybody definitively right now as we don't have much information and it could easily lead to Amis lynch. This seems exactly what you are attempting to do by calling me out with little merit, trying to rile up the village for no reason , to confuse them into makings mis lynches
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
Dye, I think you're misinterpreting my post, or I was unclear. I have no problem with probing for information from people, which is different from wagoning in my mind. I'm just saying that at the time I made that post, that saying to come to definitive conclusions about who to vote for, this early with little information is just going to confuse the village and force a mistake, which is what the wolves want. We can wait at least a few more hours and gain more information, and at least feel better that the people we suspect would be wolves. The wolves can't be any worse than last game from what I've heard, so we really can't have a laissez faire attitude and waste a lynch until were pretty sure someone is a wolf (or when we are as sure as we can be), unless for some reason it would give a lot of information on other potential wolves. For instance, im not saying we should lynch schu, but if we did and he flips villa, that would look pretty bad for a lot of the people tunneling him IMO.

I thought vix was Wolfy because he called out dkgo for little reasoning , and hasn't seemed like a great villager if he is one. Also didnt like his response after being called out saying " well if you dont believe me, then vote for me." It's not looking good for the rat based on the case a8 made, and the fact that he's disappeared for so long. Really want to here more from him, since he seems Wolfy as of now. Dye seems like a villa or a really good wolf, and same with dkgo jackets .

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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
I'm newish to this, but I really dont see a case for vyk, seems like it would be an awful lynch at this point.hes really done a lot of good work seemingly.


Looks likes we have a few more hours to vote right? I'm going to wait a little bit and read the thread later when I get home from campus, so I have more info before placing a vote. Specifically, I want to hear from noze and the rat since we haven't heard from them really. I'm slightly leaning towards them right now just because they are utr, and apparently noze did this as a wolf before. if they are villagers, then they aren't much help to the village anyway. Also thinking of voting khaos or no fear, but haven't made up my mind yet.
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
If the wolves chose a wagon together in the manner you suggested , wouldn't it be fairly obvious if the person lynched flips villa? Seems like we'd get a lot of info on potential wolves that way. I don't really get the logic of having to vote right away when we could make more informed, albeit not perfect guesses later
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
Don't think this is a bad wagon, and if people really believe we should vote sooner than later (even though I don't really get it from our perspective), I suppose this is who I will vote. Still haven't 100% made up my mind yet, but he made some early posts that weren't very villiagery and then disappears, not really a good look so far.
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
ya, im glad i didn't vote earlier because of what vix was spewing, seems like there is a lot more information now to make an informed decision with the pwn master kill.

Vyk seems like the thread mvp right now, and any votes earlier (and now obv) seem really bad. i dunno, if he did die of poisoning, id be really shocked if he was a wolf.

starting to think that nofear and irm are just not very adept villas. Getting a villa lean from geddy as well. Not as big on the etats/schu wagons as everyone else is though. As mjw pointed out, etats's posting is pretty inline with his se posting. schu seems to be kind of butthurt from being accused, but im not exactly sure how to interpret that, and i think for now at least there are better wagons. Seems like the khaos wagon is the best one right now, as vyk and others have elaborated on. The fact that he was reading the thread, yet not posting seems pretty wolfy, and then he made an odd post about worrying about not trying to sound to wolfy. I hope im not wrong, but the case seems kind of overwhelming, and he seems more wolfy than other people who have been mentioned. ill vote Khaos.
All AJ posts from day 1 need to be read from his POV that you can only cast one vote. It looks to me that he’s genuinely worried about who he votes for. most of his reads are sponged off someone else. but as a first time player, not a wolf, it's hard to figure out what wolfy traits are. that's not an excuse... AJ, you need to start coming up with your own thoughts
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02-21-2012 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by zdye724
Like BASaint mentioned earlier, this isn't exactly out of the ordinary for him. IMO, he's = rand to be a wolf here, which isn't a good play for a lynch.
Or, you and basaint are wolves defending a power wolf from getting lynched vs a villager wagon of dar0.
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02-21-2012 , 08:43 PM
k decided to do my first multiquote bomb

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
Sliiiiiighted's pooasts seem like aids sov far talking almost exclusively about the poison. LOL CANADA lol steelers
opener...posts a read then some fluff

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Guess I'm in
here for the first event

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Not gonna be at a computer for 15min tho
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Avada kedavra don cherry
after the event

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
nutshot/goofybawler have beef from when goofybawler went on a banning rampage against someone who lost a location bet and had to put something about goofybawler. nutshot get mad, goofybawler either bans or infracts him. thus the genesis of the goofybawler nutshot beef.
explains nut/goofy

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
experillamus don cherry

vixt is a liability to the village whether he's wolfin or villagin. he's always all ove the place and last game the wolves left him alive b/c he was wreckin the village.

lol aCtIoNjAcSoN



dont think wagons should be started, lists three random names for not posting in the first 10 hours of gametime, when 19 people have <5 posts. #cmonson
more talk to the mods...starts his loling at vix and action

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
there will 100% be mislynches. do you really think its practical for us to snipe a woalf on d1 unless someone ****s up? why do you want to start random wagons when youve admittedly not followed the thread?






wat



or it is just possible that was an initial read list and he forgot someone, the humanity!



agree, IRM had his mind made up wrt to SCHU WANGZZZZZ. and the related piling on on d1 seems really fishy [sic WANGZY]
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on dkgo

he poasted the player list, but rearranged some names, not sure what to make of that
was weird...villa points for pointing it out

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
how do you expect someone to make a convincing argument he's a villa when the games only been going on for 13 hours?
i mean i feel the same way the whole game but esp day 1 so neutral on this one

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
no

the last two games you day vigged d1 b/c i was wolfy in making 5 poats and i was lynched n1 by the village b/c i had a meeting and was gone for 4 hours before EOD. oh and i was a seer when colorman fakeseered and told the vig to kill me, that was fun too. and lol the most ive lasted in a game was 3 days, and that was when i was seer and didnt know wtf i was doing.

CANT WAIT TO GET GOT AGAIN BECAUSE NOW IMPOASTING TOO MUCH INSTEAD OF TOO LITTLE
last game talk

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
if you know this you are obviously reading the thread, why is this only your 2nd post?

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Why are you scared of sounding like a wolf?
both to khaos

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pretty sure he had a monster list like that as a wolf in HP4

#justsayin
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Khaos4k
starts the khaos wagon

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look up

was aware of vyk poasting woe is me but not poasting himself
say he doesnt want to sound woalfy
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shocking this was accurate, no way
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WAAAANGZ
fluff

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LOL CANADA stealing a US holiday and trying to make it their own
fluff

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
Pwn was soft defending someone in reply to one of my poqsts maybe sliighted early. Phone poastin for now can someone dig it up
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All

Would IRM claim vanillager early d1 and announce you're expendable as a woalf.
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I'm defending you moran
both re: IRM

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
Colorman

I'm not totally convinced shu is a woalf. Is it not possible pwn (red for woalf) picked a rando to defend since you believe there are strong players as woalves?

Regards
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Lol nofear with the immediate jump
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What youre doing is quite antivillage
to goofy

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Ftr goose made a similarily ******ed move at eod1 in se1 and was a vanillager
helpful past game info

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Whatintheworld tjbird
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Some of the late pileons to khaosk could be fellow wolfbr0s
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Wall o texgt 2min before EOD #notagoodlook

richard tanner
vote at 8:59

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
i think targetting baidsaint this early is unwise, if he's a village he's obv ghana put in work like the other games, if not the woalves will prob spk his ass, especially if there are some dupe woalves from last game.




vaya, wtf br0. you want to go through a dead villagers' village list b/c you think there are woalves there b/c he had 2 villages on his woalf list?

wat
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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
jesus rereading this and it makes no sense

1) baidsaint is a villager and will put mad work in and the woalves will spk him, especially if there are dupe woalves form the ed hoch mod game
2) baidsaint is a netural, woalves sitll ghana want to kill him
3) baidsaint is a woalf, he aint ghana poast much content contrary to other games, much like colorman last game. colorman poasted one semilol list of reads and gave nothing else.
prolly pretty good posts on BAsaint...villa points for that

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
lol vix #cmonson

you go on that big sliighted crusade to get him to vote and you yourself doesnt vote any of the three wagons just because you didnt like them

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if im a seer i peeked vix ******ed
vix fluff

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knowing this id be shocked if he decided to protect anyone
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what awesome contribution the entire game, even awesomer throwaway vote promising you'll do work. everyone knows you and nutwiper vote each other but then youre sorta supposed to change the vote

BJLTNYK
come at me br0

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
Hit TJaybird
oh look you're here for another event

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how nice of atakdog to make an appearance during an event
nice of you to join us as well!

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
need moar mcsorley
fluff

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you know what else doesnt seem right. a POGstar who had to convince others he wasnt a ringer to play in this game who hasnt put any work into other players and has made purely mechanical posts shows up right as an event is active and offers to hit the dude after seeing two people already have hit him.

that aint right
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why would anyone want to score with Chilltown, dude just threatened sodomy with a hockey stick
fluff

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we need a breakdwon of fenwick ratings and more on how the rangers' shooting % is unsustainable amiarite TriumPudge
fluff

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this is false
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well considering i was lynched d1 of SE 3.0 i'd consider that information false
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didnt i get lynched b/c i didnt claim?
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oh yea thats right i got to roleblock someone

scratch that
4 straight posts about past game

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hey don cherry and pierre macguire,

this game is boring

do something
fluff

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avada kedavra pierre maguire
more gibberish to the mods

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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
all over TJ

gave villa points to dye
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gave villa points to bawler
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stilll think this doesnt look so good for BJLTNYK since he can leave his vote on nutshot d1 and say it was personal then go back days later and say whatchu talkin bout guize i voted a wolf d1. that and he's only made 1 post which he promised to do work
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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
conflicting schu reads

sounds wangzy, maybe he was levelling when he claimed vanillager
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Originally Posted by Steroid Boy
you said your case was paper thin against schu, nothing has really changed since then and now he's back to on your wangzzzzzzzzz list
to IRM

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vaya/dkgo/bjltnyk wagons

sound good iyam
v/v/v?

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How the hell do you know thiss mechanic exists????!?!
jumping on people for legit curiosity is sometimes good and sometimes bad...neutral on this

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cutting edge analysis here
to bawler pointing out me...but i dont think bawler knows who i am

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i really am not a fan of the if X is a woalf then Y must be a woalf too!
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based on what, because schu thought dkgo was a villa? gmafb

i thought khasok was a wolf, you ghana string me up cause i was wrong?
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being a little mroe concrete would be nice, especially since there were multiple people, myself and you, who wanted to make sure the RT wagon was 2nd. ffs dkgo didnt even start teh counter wagon of RT and wasnt one of the first 3 votes on it, nofear hadd an immediate jump to RT out of nowhere, w/o taking any time to read CPHOyas case

ok that's just about everything...might have skipped a few posts and a few might be out of order. there's alot of fluff in there and then also the random stuff to the mods but i won't really role hunt even tho im super confused. he was the first to start the khaos wagon and made a few posts about me today (ok that's not tunneling). but he's doing alot of interacting with posters he's LOLing at like vix and IRM to make it seem like more work even though he's not really doing much.

lean slightly wolfy on him for now

ok doing all that work was fun but exhausting jesus
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02-21-2012 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
Do you have any reads to share without doing a multiquote? Just off the top of your head, even if you aren't caught up in the thread yet.
I thought sylar was extremely wolfy all day yesterday. Likewise with etats. I remember etats having noobish/wolfy/anti-village posts. I remember hoya making a case on him. Then I remember thinking etats was less wolfy than khaos based on both of their reactions to the cases made against them. Etats came hard at hoya. Based on the skimming I've done today, etats has made a few "this game is too hard, f you all" type posts, some objectively anti-village posts, and other nonsense.

I thought zdye and IRM were wolfy all day yesterday up until the pwn death. I've noticed that most people today have named them villagers based on mechanics/posting (IRM) and posting zdye.

I noted Fanmail and Auger as having extremely villagery d1's. I think fanmail's day today has been decidedly worse because:
-Listed TheRat and Hoya in wolf-list, two players who I consider mechanically more likely to be V than norm based on game events.

Fanmail also listed me as a "wolfy" suspect, which is probably role neutral. And at the very least understandable. My quick re-read of pwn's spew was alarming to a lot of people, (vyk/tweedy/fanmail). I think that is reasonable, even though I know that I just did it quickly and w/o agenda in an honest effort to help the village.

This all probably flows like AIDS, but I'm really rushing and posting in a stream of consciousness style rather than structuring my posts for clarity.
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02-21-2012 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fanmail
Or, you and basaint are wolves defending a power wolf from getting lynched vs a villager wagon of dar0.
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02-21-2012 , 08:44 PM
dye, glad we're on the same page.

rest of team, im on a higher level than most, just be patient and my abstract approach will blossom into something beautiful.
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02-21-2012 , 08:44 PM
No one reads those giant MQ's btw.
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02-21-2012 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by chim17
Your villa list is partly fine.. your presuming you are clear by any means and can order people around is ridiculous.
Dead villager wanted to mason with me and IRM for being clear villagers. Clear as anyone at this point, so deal with it.
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02-21-2012 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BASaint
like, dkgo being wolfy is completely standard when he is a villa.
Does he usually care and/or try as a villager? I asked him if he could link a villager game of his but I don't think he's around atm.
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02-21-2012 , 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fanmail
Dead villager wanted to mason with me and IRM for being clear villagers. Clear as anyone at this point, so deal with it.
You're FAR less clear than the guy you have on your wolf list.
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02-21-2012 , 08:45 PM
BJ, why do u think vaya and dkgo are villa?
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02-21-2012 , 08:45 PM
Okay I'm around now. Someone remind me when night is, wasn't it screwed up yesterday?
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02-21-2012 , 08:45 PM
Steroid boy started the khaos wagon and wanted to vote RT out. hmmmmmmmmm
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02-21-2012 , 08:46 PM
is fanmail really still pushing me?
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02-21-2012 , 08:46 PM
huh, didnt realise that steroid boy started the khaos wagon and then switched to RT at the last second. thats kinda interesting
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02-21-2012 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by CPHoya
Okay I'm around now. Someone remind me when night is, wasn't it screwed up yesterday?
75 minutes.

Fanmail has you as a wolf lol

I also posted that you should potentially claim because people here are still confused but its hard to believe somoene on wolf team hasn't figure it out.
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02-21-2012 , 08:46 PM
I remember getting a wolfy vibe from Chilltown so I went back and did some reading from earlier today

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Originally Posted by Chilltown
I don't remember hotwings ever being this involved in the game.

Sylar made an incredibly wofly post too. Is this his first game?
makes this one lone post in the middle of the night, mostly fluff, but i agree that sylar has been wolfy
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The wolves are trying to put me in a box.
ok
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I bet this last page has 4 wolves on it. Sounds like a boring day for the wolves.
alright...
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I think sylar is more wolf than no fear.

I never got the wolf vibe from no fear.
gives nofear a villa lean and sylar a wolf lean
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Yeah.

Dead villas don't know who the wolves are. No reason to use it as hard evidence.

I'd kill tweedy out of that list.
commenting on vyk's villa list, says to kill tweedy if anyone
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
BaSaint told me he hated playing wolf. I'm assuming that's why he's had a 180 demeanor change. During the same conversation I told him how much I hated being a villager.

Me=villager
BASaint=wolf

BaSaint
Now this is an interesting and good read imo. BASaint is nothing like 2.0 where he was essentially the village leader. He was a great steadying force in that game and one of the big reasons why we won. He is playing nothing like that in this game.
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
Just so people remember, my reasoning for voting for BaSaint is he is playing completely different this game than his regular villager routine. 3 games together, he was a villager every time, and posted the same way. He told me he loves being a villager because of various reason during last WW game. He's totally bummed that he's not on the cool kids game.

So when people quote that to make some big dumb multi quote then please lynch them.
lol so basically what I just said I guess
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
Sounds right.

I'd snap shoot BaSaint now if I could.
very consistant on BASaint
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
TJ sounds like me the first time I was a villa. I definitely get the stupid vibe before I get the wolf vibe too. Just making crazy reads and trying to back them up with nonsensical nonsense. He might be exactly who the wolves want us to lynch today.
Says TJay is just an idiot noob. I have also posted that this is how I view him, so looks like I agree with Chill
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
Let's get on BaSaint and ignore all his attempts to persuade us otherwise. Right now he looks like a huge wolf and his villa stock can only go up. Don't listen to his lies.
So very consistant on BASaint.


I thought I might find something wolfy here but instead I found myself agreeing with literally every single post. Chilltown gets a strong villa lean from me. His case on BASaint is quite good as well and he definitely should be looked at. Probably not tonight, but tomorrow for sure.
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