it's too late for this and you aren't even in the draft, so it's really just annoying.

now, if others want to free up TM use for all the pokemon that are not Mewtwo/Mew (and continue to restrict them to 1), then i'm willing to discuss it. don't really see how it could hurt anything. i kinda liked the strategic element of knowing each pokemon is restricted in their TM's though. but again, i'd be willing to change it.

Now you are changing the rules as the draft is going on...

Not cool for the people who already drafted.

i think i like it how it is. the draft probably isn't really affected too much as it is if we DO allow this, but i think that the way it is involves a bit more strategy how we're doing it now.

obviously a significant rule cant be changed now since it has already influenced picks

i think theres a lot more strategy this way. wheres the fun in sorting by base stats then everyone learning the same power TMs?

Alakazam
Charizard meh
Gyarados

God it was so annoying having to throw magickarp out there for like 8-10 levels, but it was all worth it when he evolved.

i haven't changed anything! people can't seem to just go with the thing as it was, so if EVERYONE wants to make a change like that, i'm willing to go with it.

nothing has actually changed though

and like i said, i prefer it just stay the same.

just keep it as is and continue IMO

Because those "few moves" are good. And removing limits = more diversity. It isn't more diverse to force certain pokemon to use terrible moves because you arbitrarily restricted TM's.

It's like having a fighting-game competition but arbitrarily banning certain characters from using certain powerful moves. It's not competitive.

Again, if I'm ruining it for others then I apologize, but this is something I feel strongly about because pokemon is actually a fairly deep game when played between skilled players.

Whoa, Gyarados is obviously one of the most awesome Pokemon, but I thought there would be at least a few others taken before him.

Doesn't hurt that they have a badass temperament, live in something called The Lake of Rage and are known for burning entire cities to the ground.

this is just wrong on its face. 6 pokemon knowing 20+ different moves between them is more diverse than the same 6 pokemon using 8 moves between them. you lose all the uniqueness


they can use all the moves that they naturally have. would super smash brothers be more or less fun to you if every character was capable of the same thing and the only difference was how they looked?

you aren't ruining it by any means (you couldn't ruin pokemon for me if you tried), but it's a little frustrating/annoying when you come in here and are just like WTF are you DOING with all of these RULES?! it's not like we didn't spend an entire day yesterday trying to hammer this stuff out; i didn't just start a thread and throw a bunch of random stipulations in. sure i could've maybe waited a little longer, but i figured if chilltown or anyone else had anything major to say, it would have been said in the 12+ hours the interest thread was up. the one major thing i did was make a ruling on mewtwo/mew because that was always a split topic, and was never going to reach a clear conclusion. and i let them in because the stipulations everyone had agreed upon (base level 60, TM restrictions) kind of neutered their ****** strength enough to where i felt like it would be more fun to include them and have debates like the alakazam one a couple pages back.

and like dkgo, orange, and i have said, the TM restrictions, while maybe not your preference, do add another element of strat to the whole thing.

How are you guys going to simulate the fights at the end? I recommend shoddy, works pretty well.

Sorry, but you don't know what you're talking about.

Allowing MORE good moves gives you MORE options for choosing between them.

Take Gyarados. Under current rules, you're always going to have Hydro Pump, Hyper Beam, one of Thunderbolt/Blizzard, and one useless move. That's not diversity.

With unlimited TM's now you can have Body Slam, Thunderbolt, Blizzard, Fire Blast, and have the option of Surf over Hydro Pump. This is more diversity, not less.

Again, this is completely wrong, because you have different base stats and typing.

Round #1 Pick #10



I mean...

hmmm didn't have him on my radar. looks like an okay pick. he has solid stats and more importantly is very versatile/can learn alot of different moves. he's also not very weak against anything notable...not bad.

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good pick, Tauros is the best he is at what he does among available pokemon. There isn't a better sweeper available

BTW, I wasn't trying to impose with my own ruleset or something, I was responding to a post that said "Mewtwo with unlimited TM's destroys everything." While obviously true, a better solution is to ban Mewtwo, rather than ban TM's for everyone else. TM's make a ton of undrafted things really, really good. Like top-5 and top-10 good. Way better than things already drafted.

Cool. Unlimited draft with 649 pokemon and unlimited TM's. You down?

Articuno obviously. Steal of the draft.

Tauros is like the best pokemon in RBY. Not even levelling, if you don't know why you're a pokemon fish.

articuno is better in this format than he is in a regular setting. definately better than lapras

Make sure it's two picks cause I am ready to go again.

we drafted a bull. who jelly?!

I strongly considered Tauros at 3. He is the GOAT sweeper with a 20% crit strike. With high speed and high attack he basically just one hits you before you get a chance to attack. Tauros has no counter unless you go against some n00b trainer that switches Tauros in.

Tauros and articuno are good picks finnaly.

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