Not wanting the US to be a part of NATO is definitely a SCALDING take.

Wonderson, I mean this with actual respect but you seem to not have a ton of knowledge of politics/history. I genuinely think you should look up the history and current issues with nato, what Russia is trying to accomplish by destabilizing nato and the United States. You should also look at how putin has subverted democracy and journalism in that country and how that is in its worst shape since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Aligning the United States with those interests and policies is a very bad thing. Trump has mentioned taking similar stances to putin against the press, protesters and other groups. This is very, very alarming.

You benefit massively from nato. It's an incredibly hot take to assume otherwise.

everything is so simple and obvious

Anyway seems were moving on from blaming THE RUSSIANS.

Now we're blaming HUMA from keeping our Queen off the Throne.


https://www.google.com/amp/www.vanit...er-clinton/amp

Not proportionately to how much it benefits them.

even accepting that this is true, how is it a bad thing that it helps us just less than it helps him? life and progress isn't a 0 sum game.

the only time article 5 has been triggered was for afghanistan after 9/11.

i think you can make a decent case for the argument that nato is fairly irrelevant these days, but the costs are also minimal, so it seems silly to mess with it and test out whether it really is what's holding everything together.

They're also better than other noted popular options Appeasement and Do Nothing. They most certainly do not always work, but sometimes they do, and sometimes they only do on the margins.

Just imagine his popularity if he irradiated a couple dozen more critics, jailed a few dozen more political dissidents, executed more reporters, shot down more airliners or invaded more neighbors! The sky really is the limit with this fine fellow

I go where the facts take me.

You call it advocating for Russian policies, I say there is blame on both sides.

Could you imagine the firestorm if tomorrow Mexico were to join a new anti US military coalition and Russia started rotating battalions of troops through like Tiijunana and Juarez? And when the US called Russia out on it, their lone defense would be 'troops not permanent or substantial so it's all good'.

Considering the outrage in the US atm over supposed 'cyber attacks' I can't even fathom what the US reaction would be.

jesus ****ing christ

Yes it is.

Trump has a bombastic shtick about making better deals and when asked about the NATO deals this summer he responds in a predictably Trump like way and the inference made is he's a Putin aide, a Russian puppet, lol.

He's Donald Trump guys

was it also drumpf being drumpf when his one amendment of the GOP platform during convention season was about withdrawing support for ukrainans in crimea

Lol -

WASHINGTON — Green Party nominee Jill Stein’s presidential vote recount in Michigan may have turned up massive voter irregularities — in the Democratic stronghold of Detroit.

Now it’s Republican leaders who are demanding an investigation to determine why a third of the city’s voting machines registered more ballots than actual voters, the Detroit News reported.

Ruth Johnson, the Republican secretary of state, is launching an audit.

Republican state Sen. Patrick Colbeck called the probe a good start on the suspicious results turned up in Detroit, which Hillary Clinton won with 95 percent of the vote.

The Detroit News found voting scanning machines at 248 of the city’s 662 precincts — 37 percent — tabulated more ballots than the number of actual voters counted in the poll books.

His team changed the language from providing "lethal defensive weapons" to "appropriate assistance", it's crazy how inconsistent the positions on Russia and China are. Can't take a phone call in Taiwan because of nukes but have to specify lethal weapons in Ukraine or else you're a traitor.


-"Of course, Trump is not the only politician to oppose sending lethal weapons to Ukraine. President Obama decided not to authorize it, despite recommendations to do so from his top Europe officials in the State Department and the military. The United States has provided Ukraine with non-lethal equipment and aid."

It's almost like the Dems this election thought Russiaphobia would be positive propaganda to support their cause and gain undecideds.

I can do this too. https://www.democracynow.org/2016/12...ing_recount_is

Biggest takeaway, really, is lolMichigan.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/georgia/ge...-dhs/475707667

ATLANTA - The Georgia Secretary of State's Office now confirms 10 separate cyberattacks on its network were all traced back to U.S. Department of Homeland Security addresses.

Failed hacking attempts to infiltrate Georgia. Sad!

Biggest takeaway is lolAmericanGovernment imo, they deserve Trump even more than we do

Homie were you raised by Instagram captions of pictures of lions?


What the ****.

The entire ****ing concept of capitalism is based on the world not being zero sum, but Wooderson has some ELITE thoughts on how it's not alpha to benefit from a deal less than someone else who also benefits.

Woody, man, take a breather and read a book or ten. You could start with "The Banality of Evil" or "The Origins of Totalitarianism." Maybe mix in an entry level economics textbook.

Of all the takes in this thread this by a distance the most outrageous. It turns out thousands of years of human progress hasn't actually been a net-positive and there was no point moving out of those caves.

It's clear from the last two days of posting that wooderson is simply trolling.

per WaPo potential NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR flynn shared confidential files about afghanistan without permission

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