It feels to me like the problem is that "not-racist" just isn't much of a vision.

When the Right won the idealogical battle over socialism / communism, is through a positive vision of "real American" and a juxtaposition of "commies". Everyone could understand what it meant to be a real American (love freedom, have house in suburbs, eat hot dogs on July 4).

You can't just shame people into abandoning their politics / morals / values. You have to present something that resonates with them, then present the other side as obviously counter to this.

What is the Left's vision? You have multi-culturalist, urbanist futurist on the one hand, but that just clearly leaves out your middle America workin folks that Trump made the most gains with.

How can we unify those?

I agree with you but it was a case that needn't have been made. "Our biggest Cold War rival by infinity, which is still heavily authoritarian and non-Communist in name only wants desperately for the literal worst candidate in the history of our union to win" should have been enough.

But hatred of Hillary ultimately overcame even that.

I do think its plausible that Russia didn't actually want Trump to win, they just assumed Hillary would win and wanted to undermine her from the start.

If that is the case, then Putin may have been the one person that went broke underestimating the stupidity of the American people.

The Cold War also ended 25 years ago.

Maybe people just forgot.

See I don't understand this thinking. To me, Russia preferring Trump is one of his only positive points. We WAN'T America and Russia to get along right? I wasn't alive for the Cold War but I don't particularly want to live through another one. This whole "Russia are the bad guys so we can't give them what they want" is a sort of appeal to emotion/fear that would in almost all normal circumstances be being used by the Right and condemned by us.

EDIT: at Namath

Russia is pro-Trump for the same reasons Trump won the election; spite-Hillary.

Don't buy the spite hillary stuff as a standalone given all the pro russia things trump talked about in the campaign.

Well there are strategic reasons for Putin to prefer Trump to Hillary, specifically a Russian free hand in Syria and Ukraine, which he will no doubt have now.

Edit: Trump ****ting all over NATO at every turn is another, but there's an argument to be made that that came from Russia itself by way of Manafort

Edit edit and imo that's plausible given that I doubt Trump could even spell NATO if you spotted him two vowels

has russia made a positive contribution to society outside of 'not nuking people'?

Dash-cam videos GOAT, tho

They gave us a solid vs the Nazis

(After they made a pact to divide Poland with the Nazis obv)

I just got done listening to the four part Hardcore History podcast "Ghosts of the Ostfront", all about the Nazi-Red Army war. Insane stuff. Recommend listening.

I cannot handle this level of wokeness

this is terrible. you cant honestly believe this, can you?

this is the same trump that built his political career on claiming obama was from africa and spend every other night reciting a poem about how muslims were that would kill if you took care of the because that's their nature.

claiming he's just like every other republican doesnt make those other republicans look great either.

In it could be much worse than trump in lol political stupidity news we're heading to India. India recently banned the R500 ($7.50ish) and R1000 ($15ish) notes b/c bad guys use cash or whatever. Let's see how that's going.

So it's chaos at banks, well I'm sure the economy will be just fine.

So nobody can pay for anything because nobody has or can get any money + employers can't pay employees (super great for business!) and a bunch of poor people any $ they had is basically now worthless. And those bad guys sure took a big hit!


All those idiots wanting to ban $100's over here can stuff a bunch of socks in their mouths.

The US and the EU currently have economic sanctions against russia for the whole crimea thing that happened a little bit ago. AKA, we think they did something bad so we're punishing them. Some EU member states are talking about lifting the sanctions because they think the US will lift sanctions, because Trump. Of course, Trump doesn't know anything about anything, which is something we should always remember.

In short, russia attempted to pull strings to get trump elected and now they'll get relief from economic sanctions. Like, the russian trolls aren't just getting paid by their government, their lives will get a little bit better because of their work.

nice

I was reading about that earlier today.



An employee carries a metal box full of two thousand rupee notes to a bank in Dadri

Meanwhile, back at the bank ...



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...ia-s-cash-woes

note to banks: invest in ropes.

Is this a thing here in Murrica? I haven't heard anyone arguing for this, LOL them if they are.

World traveling criminals have it right with keeping large amounts of wealth in diamonds. You can stuff god knows how much $$ worth in a pocket. Praise De Beers!

Many economists advocate eliminating cash as legal tender.

New band name idea

MANY ECONOMISTS

Yes, we want Russia and the US to get along, but if getting along means inaction while Russia decides to annex the Baltikum and the Crimea, we have to agree that that's not desirable.

they were all the same though. and clinton was in the pocket of the banks.

the civil rights division will be having a great time too when sessions staffs it with all his friends