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11-16-2016 , 01:39 AM
I got a minute into it , but I think you just posted a video of a guy bombing
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11-16-2016 , 01:43 AM
Wasn't the point, but you know that
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11-16-2016 , 01:45 AM
Dudd: are you one of the millions (aka, the majority) to vote for trump? Don't be ashamed anymore -- you guys are the majority! Own it!
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11-16-2016 , 01:52 AM
sounds like jokes on the kkk since KUSHNER is basically running things now

among the more ******ed trump supporters a strong anti-hillary theme was how she was merely a puppet of moneyed JEWS who were controlling things from behind the scenes - so this is a pretty ironic turn of events
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11-16-2016 , 01:54 AM
I saw the whole thing and it was good, Shark Doc. Thanks

Still think drugs are better tho
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11-16-2016 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ASPoker8
it was a Russian conspiracy despite zero credible evidence outside of anonymous intelligence officials


(hint: he's talking about russia)
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11-16-2016 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Shark Doctor
you guys are the majority!
orly
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11-16-2016 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by MEb
I'm sick of Thayer and others like him acting all woke with their HS stoner level thoughts. Yeah we all get it that both parties are ****ty and only give a **** about what keeps them in office. Bring some real solutions and action to the table on how to fix that situation or stfu about it because we all get it already. Absent of that, the discussion is going to focus on how to make the best out of the current system of government that we have.
Terrible post. You claim you "all get it" but your actions are indistinguishable from someone who doesn't "get it" so who could tell. And the "stop talking about a problem unless you have a comprehensive plan to fix said problem, and as soon as you suggest any solutions whatsoever that aren't precisely the status quo you will be mocked for having unworkable and unrealistic solutions" game is the HS stoner level approach.

Stop voting. That should be easy right?
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11-16-2016 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by MEb
Are you woke enough to stop acting like you've figured out something none of the rest of us have?

1. Figure out both major parties are ****ty.
2. ?????
3. Disruptive party for the people ends the dominance of the Republicans and Democrats

Everyone knows 1, but no one has figured out 2 yet. Until that time, the majority of us have chosen to attempt to persuade the current system in a way as beneficial as possible rather than taking our ball and going home and then laughing at everyone else for not being as enlightened as we are for essentially doing nothing.
This is not true. What you've chosen to do is take the myopic short term solution of continuing to vote and continuing to support this system and just picked the lesser of two evils. Over and over and over again. Next election you will do the same. Don't worry, next election "the other guy" will be another monster that the world has never seen the likes of and you will be "forced" to support the second worst choice yet again.
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11-16-2016 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
^^

Most people knew before 2007 that both parties sucked

People like LL learned it in like 2009

But there's nobody else left that you're teaching something new to, Thayer. You're just being a dick.
Ok so how are you evaluating your strategy? How can you tell if it's working? You realized both parties sucked ij 2007. You adopted mebs strategy of working within the system or whatever. It's 3 elections later and we've elected trump. Did it...work? Are things improving? And more importantly, how would you know? If you don't have any endpoints to measure and no way to evaluate your success, you don't really have a strategy right? How is your approach any better than thayers?
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11-16-2016 , 06:56 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
If your plan for the moment is literally just talk then why is the rejecting the Democrats in there? Why not support the best option until something comes to fruition.
Isn't that what he's suggesting? Supporting the best option. You see the problem though? In your mind there seem to only be two options.
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11-16-2016 , 07:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Your point? I don't think Comey set out to sabotage Hillary the way you think the heads of other agencies went out of their way to make things up for her.

Like I said, 2016 is the year that false equivalency destroyed the world.
All equivalences are false. Happy to help. Speaking of woke, this false equivalency thing is like the 2p2SE version of when everyone decided that none of those things in thst song were ironic.

We used to just say "lol nice analogy bro" when we refused to think about things and accept criticism.
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11-16-2016 , 07:13 AM
the system is fine and the democrats are, policywise, a decent political party (they could use some help getting elected at times). that's not the problem. the problem is the voters are a pretty dreadful bunch a lot of them.
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11-16-2016 , 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by vhawk01
Isn't that what he's suggesting? Supporting the best option. You see the problem though? In your mind there seem to only be two options.
No clue what this post means. Its possible to both work to undermine the two party structure and vote Dem when the alternative is a buffoon. The problem here is that thayer considers the Trump vote a stepping stone to the nation GETTING WOKE whereas all the evidence is that non of that is true. Its evidence that the electorate has no clue what the real problems are, and Trump himself is in the process of being assimilated by the GOP. In the end the GOP will change but the two party structure will not.
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11-16-2016 , 08:35 AM
Looking forward to Thayer leading the WOKE party revolution
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11-16-2016 , 09:02 AM
VHawk,

Things change over time through action, not inaction and withdrawal from the process. Women didn't gain the right to vote by doing nothing about it, advancements in civil rights for African Americans and LGBTQ citizens haven't been gained through inaction.

As far as what advancements have been made and how to judge them, one poor election result doesn't mean the entire system doesn't work and no advancement has been made. In 2008 gay marriage wasn't legally recognized by the federal government, now it is and is legal in all 50 states. The president-elect who came in on a conservative wave called it settled law. This polling is currently at record highs. That is progress.

Recreational marijuana is now legal in 8 states, and medical marijuana is now legal in 20 additional states. 8 of 9 ballot initiatives regarding legalizing Marijuana passed in the 2016 election, and a record high 60% of Americans now support legalizing marijuana. That is progress.

From that same link, 86% of Americans now support universal background checks for gun sales, and 56% of Americans support raising the national minimum wage. That is progress.

These are just a few items. But to deny that any progress is or has been made in the current system through persuasion and action is a lie. To withdraw from the system without any plan and just expect things to change through your inaction is a fool's errand.

So while many of us may be open to the idea of disrupting our current system under the right circumstances, the reason the two major parties are so entrenched is because this is a herculean task to figure out how to disrupt the two major parties. It takes massive amounts of funding and will be done through a "people's party" effectively targeting local elections where they have the ability to gain a foothold for their party, not through one fell swoop of taking the presidential election without any infrastructure. Until a time where that is feasible, the best solution is to continue to work for progress through the current system.
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11-16-2016 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by MEb
VHawk,

Things change over time through action, not inaction and withdrawal from the process. Women didn't gain the right to vote by doing nothing about it, advancements in civil rights for African Americans and LGBTQ citizens haven't been gained through inaction.

As far as what advancements have been made and how to judge them, one poor election result doesn't mean the entire system doesn't work and no advancement has been made. In 2008 gay marriage wasn't legally recognized by the federal government, now it is and is legal in all 50 states. The president-elect who came in on a conservative wave called it settled law. This polling is currently at record highs. That is progress.

Recreational marijuana is now legal in 8 states, and medical marijuana is now legal in 20 additional states. 8 of 9 ballot initiatives regarding legalizing Marijuana passed in the 2016 election, and a record high 60% of Americans now support legalizing marijuana. That is progress.

From that same link, 86% of Americans now support universal background checks for gun sales, and 56% of Americans support raising the national minimum wage. That is progress.

These are just a few items. But to deny that any progress is or has been made in the current system through persuasion and action is a lie. To withdraw from the system without any plan and just expect things to change through your inaction is a fool's errand.

So while many of us may be open to the idea of disrupting our current system under the right circumstances, the reason the two major parties are so entrenched is because this is a herculean task to figure out how to disrupt the two major parties. It takes massive amounts of funding and will be done through a "people's party" effectively targeting local elections where they have the ability to gain a foothold for their party, not through one fell swoop of taking the presidential election without any infrastructure. Until a time where that is feasible, the best solution is to continue to work for progress through the current system.
This doesn't seem like a very WOKE post, just saying.
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11-16-2016 , 10:13 AM
If you can't handle Meb at his cuckest, you don't deserve him at his WOKEest
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11-16-2016 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by MEb
I'm sick of Thayer and others like him acting all woke with their HS stoner level thoughts. Yeah we all get it that both parties are ****ty and only give a **** about what keeps them in office. Bring some real solutions and action to the table on how to fix that situation or stfu about it because we all get it already. Absent of that, the discussion is going to focus on how to make the best out of the current system of government that we have.
real solution: put forth candidates who aren't terrible
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11-16-2016 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
real solution: put forth candidates who aren't terrible
This is absolutely a huge part of the current solution. Should be reworded though as "convince non-terrible people to run for public office and back those candidates strongly when they choose to run".
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11-16-2016 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
The whole "Trump transition team no shows several key departments" is sorta hard to believe
Is it though?

My understanding is the team that had been planning the transition was forgotten about and/or dissolved over the summer then Christie's team was essentially doing it but no one who considers themselves one of Trump's decision-makers had been involved. History is replete with "planning committees" that get completely sidelined once the actual **** starts going down.

There was a plan for Katrina, and for Deepwater Horizon, and for World War one, it's just that higher-ups took one look at it and said, "I didn't write this." and started from scratch.

That's even setting aside the "incompetent buffoons" angle.
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11-16-2016 , 11:45 AM
so Chris Christie dies alone and friendless?
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11-16-2016 , 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
so Chris Christie dies alone and friendless?
I've got substantial money down on "hole in the desert" at +135 that I feel great about.
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11-16-2016 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
real solution: put forth candidates who aren't terrible


Given the most objectively terrible candidate of all-time is the president elect I'm not sure how viable this strategy is.
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11-16-2016 , 12:05 PM
How about Ben Carson running for president, and then saying he doesn't even want to work in Trumps Administration b/c...

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"Dr. Carson feels he has no government experience, he's never run a federal agency. The last thing he would want to do was take a position that could cripple the presidency."
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