man that's the whole point ffs. Can we, as a nation, not flip out about **** that doesn't deserve to be flipped out on?

Also, uniting the world (billions of people) around a common cause (lolterrorism) has actually been a pretty beautiful thing. Thanks bin laden.

we got wookie busting out US Law definitions, i.e. the very thing under dispute, and ikes is the one relying on semantics?

Ikes is 100% right. Definitions matter, especially when those very definitions in US Law can be highly overreaching and invasive, such as in the Hammonds' case. Are the Black Bloc terrorists (don't let the name fool you, this is mainly spoiled white kids)? New Black Panthers? Hell, how close were the Wisconsin protestors to tipping the scales into terrorism? Obviously seems absurd now, but give it time.

This is a pretty big reduction of what I was saying. My point never relied on the bloodlust. My point is the overwhelming majority of media wants very much for this to be a case of domestic terrorism, and focus solely on that, and that is very much due to the fact that these are right wing white dudes with guns. And plenty of those outlets, and plenty of the reactions to such writings, while I wouldn't classify it as bloodlust, are very much lamenting the fact that the state is taking a wait and see approach, again, because these are republicans with guns.

It's a pretty well devised system, where change is all but impossible, because the framework for debate is always set in advance, and will always be steered in that direction. And not by the man, by us. It's on autopilot. C'est la vie, I suppose.

They truly don't.

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thought you guys would like to know

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obama cried a tear while giving the gun speech

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That the arsonists were overcharged on iffy and overbroad terrorism laws is reasonable, but that wasn't what I was discussing with ikes. We were talking about Team Bundy taking over the wildlife refuge, who I don't think have been charged with anything formally yet. Liberals calling these guys terrorists is specifically because that is the sort of treatment Black Lives Matter protesters have gotten in the media (and they also have generated immediate armed and violent responses from police). These guys get a free pass to do whateverTF until they run out of food.

"We also gave those who wished to destroy space to do that"

Yeah Trump is a lock to say something like WE NEED A WINNER IN THE WHITEHOUSE NOT A CRIER

I was promised I could buy a gun online but instead I'm out $57.50 and have to wait thirty days.

I am going to kill some Canadian geese. Apparently they're delicious.

So your defense for saying something really stupid is that someone else said something just as dumb.

Ok then. You're just like redstate. Are you happy now? How does that not cause you to re-evaluate your ****?

Wait a second. The Hammond family has specifically said they don't want help or any connection with these protesters. The protesters say they are directed by God, yet the protester's church has indicated that they don't support Bundy. Most of the locals don't want them there.

Are they looking for a reality show or something?

Oh, did you call Fox's coverage of Black Lives Matters protesters dumb at the time? Because I missed that.

I wasn't aware that i'm responsible for fox and have to criticize everything that fox does to call you on your bull****

I thought Barry's PASSION was refreshing.

Wookie,

I don't think "Fox News does it, so I'm going to do it" is a very good argument or line of thought. If anything it gives credence to the thinking of BLM protestors as terrorists, which seems pretty absurd even to someone like me.

Oh, I see. So when you say **** like this:

You actually only give a **** when liberals do it. When Fox does it, it's not quite so ****ing important for our civil liberties. Which is exactly why liberals are calling these clowns terrorists: so that you and Thayer and your ilk pay attention to the hypocrisy and blatant overreach of those who criticize (or use force against) the Black Lives Matter movement.

Wookie,

The only person here who is implying that the Black Lives Matter protesters are terrorists is you. I strongly believe if Ikes were to argue that BLM people are terrorists he'd be properly made fun of. I'm not sure how Fox News saying things justifies you saying things.

How in the world do you know I don't give a ****? Because I do, there's just no one on 2+2 dumb enough to take that position. That's how far off the reservation you are

lol