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Old 07-28-2016, 01:18 PM   #12651
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Bernie bros are obviously mad someone can be pushed to the front of the line based on zero merit

I think rhetoric like this is a part of the problem. Hillary isn't close to perfect and I see how some find her legit dislikable but to act like she's not qualified at all is crazy talk.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:21 PM   #12652
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Can't imagine killing myself when the iPhone 7 is right around the corner. It gets better.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:32 PM   #12653
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she has an annoying face. still looking for something forcing me to vote for her. as a straight white man with no plans of additional kids, the scotus argument is doing little for me. nothing any of these idiots does effects my day-to-day life.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:34 PM   #12654
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That's very interesting.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:35 PM   #12655
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Trump will insta-tank the economy and make it significantly harder for you to make a living from that day forward.

Trump will cause a default on the debt-ceiling while simultaneously running up debt by paying for deportation of millions of immigrants, or try to.

Trump will appoint morons to the Supreme Court who will enforce his anti-free-press, anti-free-speech, anti-inalienable-rights positions as a matter of law.

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Old 07-28-2016, 01:39 PM   #12656
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i don't believe he is capable of doing any of that stuff on his own. trying to make me believe we have been 1 person away from complete collapse for the past 8 years?

uh....not buying it.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:41 PM   #12657
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then vote for trump bro who gives a **** he's getting gaped in california one way or the other
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:42 PM   #12658
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suck a dick rata, nobody asked your dumb ass
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:43 PM   #12659
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It's not a logical feeling. But this whole system is not logical, obviously. Bernie bros are obviously mad someone can be pushed to the front of the line based on zero merit. Bernie obliterated Hilary in all their debates-straight up homocide over and over again--but it didn't matter because the gop ensured Hilary would win.

I think with a gun to my head before last night, I would vote Hilary over trump. A lot of Bernie or bust people feel the same way but are posturing. After last night I would feel less inclined to take that gun and point towards myself after voting for Hilary, however.
if repeating his stump speech 4 times counts as obliterating her then i guess this is true. i'm still baffled he couldn't even take like 1 hour every day to pretend to get educated on foreign policy to not sound like an idiot who didn't care at all. pretty sure lots of people would have been completely all in on bernie if he would have lucidly explained a coherent non-interventionist policy of some sort instead of just rambling about while clearly having no idea what he is talking about.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:43 PM   #12660
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Trump will appoint morons to the Supreme Court who will enforce his anti-free-press, anti-free-speech, anti-inalienable-rights positions as a matter of law.

etc.
In what way does that hurt an employed straight white man who isn't a member of an opposing party

Think about it, thinman has out logicked you
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:44 PM   #12661
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Trump will insta-tank the economy and make it significantly harder for you to make a living from that day forward.

Trump will cause a default on the debt-ceiling while simultaneously running up debt by paying for deportation of millions of immigrants, or try to.

Trump will appoint morons to the Supreme Court who will enforce his anti-free-press, anti-free-speech, anti-inalienable-rights positions as a matter of law.

etc.
what do you think this phrase means?
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:48 PM   #12662
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The thing is that TRUMP getting the nomination was and to a certain still is hilarious. It skewers the Republican Party in a devastating way, and lord knows they deserve every bit of mockery coming their way. This is the party you've built *******s. And it similarly skewers the media, again in the most devastating way possible. I've said it before, if TRUMP had set out to run a performance art campaign attempting to satirize the media and GOP it is hard to see how he could have been more successful.

So it isn't a mistake to think that TRUMP's nomination is hilarious. It is! But of course it is also incredibly dangerous. So, wouldn't we be better off if like Jeb or RMoney or Christie or Kaisich or someone was the nominee? Of course! But remember none of those guys were the second choice. Incredibly, the alternative was Ted Cruz. Maybe the most vile and despicable politician OAT. He would be as dangerous as TRUMP imo, and without any of the satirical value.

So we shouldn't be frightened of TRUMP but rather of the Republican Party as a whole, who is apparently just straight up voting for lunatics and charlatans. TRUMP isn't the cause, he's a symptom.
Agree with this. The TRUMP campaign and media attention has absolutely been hilarious and entertaining and also exposed a clown filled political party and many of its supporters for what it is. I will continue to laugh at things TRUMP says and does while simultaneously hoping Hillary wins. If this happens it would be much better than someone like Rubio winning the nomination as that wouldn't have added any humor or entertainment value to my life.

And yes, Ted Cruz would be a worse President than TRUMP bc if TRUMP actually ends up in his bottom 25% of outcomes then there is a good chance he is removed from office while I'm sure Ted Cruz is actually smart enough to figure out ways to cut deals and actually get stuff through Congress.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:52 PM   #12663
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Compare the future political class and politicians in a world where Hillary wins vs Trump wins, and I don't see how it's not close/obv Hillary.

Living in a world where the people choose or the world leaders get their choice no matter how unappealing? I'll take the former even if it results in a lol figurehead not able to do anything substantive for 4 years, at least people will wake up, people will be more engaged in politics and politicians will better serve their citizens.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:53 PM   #12664
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this may be true, but I'm also not gullible enough to fall prey to an alt-right, bigotry-fueled cult. How about yourself?
Sando has already said the white supremacy is only a bridge too far if Trump explicitly campaigns with David Duke, so, you know

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This is a transparent dodge.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:53 PM   #12665
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Hillary is a Republican. I don't see how this shakes up the Republican Party, when all that's happened is the Dems counter by appealing to Republicans

So now the Republicans know they can remove all decorum and nominate their wet dream every time and the worst that happens is a Republican still gets elected
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:55 PM   #12666
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Compare the future political class and politicians in a world where Hillary wins vs Trump wins, and I don't see how it's not close/obv Hillary.

Living in a world where the people choose or the world leaders get their choice no matter how unappealing? I'll take the former even if it results in a lol figurehead not able to do anything substantive for 4 years, at least people will wake up, people will be more engaged in politics and politicians will better serve their citizens.
Bolded is like a top .1% result for Trump.

People aren't worried he'll do nothing; people are worried he'll tank the economy, start wars because he got his feelings hurt, and explicitly encourage racist violence in the country. For starters. But I think you knew that already and chose to represent it differently anyway.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:57 PM   #12667
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suck a dick rata, nobody asked your dumb ass
nobody asked you **** either yet you came in here like a ****ing retard asking people to explain how this affects you personally, and when hoaya did, you were like nahhhh i don't believe it, making this a big waste of people's time.

**** you
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:58 PM   #12668
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I'd love to hypothetically crossbook the EV of wars/warfare under Trump and wars/warfare under Hillary, Trump at least views it as a means to an end not an endless boondoggle
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:59 PM   #12669
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Sir, I believe you need to review Rules 4 and 5 of the SE Politics Thread:

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5. If you demonstrate an ongoing commitment to lowering the quality of discourse through incessant trolling or simply being really terrible, you'll be removed from this thread.
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Old 07-28-2016, 01:59 PM   #12670
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I'd likely not vote Hillary if I lived in California or something just to help send the message that I'm not very fond of the candidate and the process. It's not just her. But the party in general. 8 years of someone who polls terribly as the heir apparent who would likely lose the election if not for being up against Patrick Bateman's dad. I don't want to reward that folly.

But I live in Cleveland, sonahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
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Old 07-28-2016, 02:01 PM   #12671
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peak brown people killed definitely higher under trump, but with hitlary you know you'll get a nice number with relatively low variance
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Old 07-28-2016, 02:08 PM   #12672
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what do you think this phrase means?
The debt ceiling is the limit of debt the U.S. Treasury is allowed to issue, i.e., to how much the U.S. Treasury is legally allowed to borrow. We somewhat routinely meet the debt ceiling and Congress, virtually every time, immediately votes to raise the debt ceiling in order to facilitate this debt service. This is because if the United States does not borrow, it is unable to meet its repayment demands and this, in turn, risks destabilizing the domestic and world economies.

We have never defaulted, though the Republicans at least twice recently threatened to tank the economy by refusing to raise the debt ceiling without concessions from the Democrats.

I believe it is a dead certainty that Trump will incur obligations to new federal anti-immigrant and deportation employees, and domestic expenditures related thereto, of such magnitude that the Treasury will be unable, extraordinary measure or otherwise, to meet those obligations. We will begin defaulting, for the first time ever, on debts payable by the U.S. Treasury. That is a cascading problem.

There appears to be no other way Trump could possibly finance his government, as best I can piece it together from his idiot statements about his "policy" plans. Given his last crack at a tax plan, which would basically increase the deficit $10trilly without factoring in military expenditures that are unforeseeable right now, and without factoring in his deport-11M-people plan, there's no chance of those debts being paid without default. The debt ceiling would need to move an enormous amount to allow for the mandatory borrowing Trump will have to engage in to pay for his dumb platform.

By the way, I note that the debt issued by a Trump presidency would have to pay significantly better than current U.S. bonds, etc. None of this is unforeseeable to an investor, or to the world.
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Old 07-28-2016, 02:08 PM   #12673
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nobody asked you **** either yet you came in here like a ****ing retard asking people to explain how this affects you personally, and when hoaya did, you were like nahhhh i don't believe it, making this a big waste of people's time.

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Sir, I believe you need to review Rules 4 and 5 of the SE Politics Thread:
you guys are quick but he got insta-temped
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Old 07-28-2016, 02:10 PM   #12674
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Must Vote Hillary Because of The Debt is an interesting position, as is the notion of no other options between Hillary and the GOP that has appeared to be accepted for like 8 years now
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Old 07-28-2016, 02:11 PM   #12675
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You can take that position about literally any policy position and be right vis a vis Trump, this is not hard stuff Thayer.
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