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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
It's not a logical feeling. But this whole system is not logical, obviously. Bernie bros are obviously mad someone can be pushed to the front of the line based on zero merit. Bernie obliterated Hilary in all their debates-straight up homocide over and over again--but it didn't matter because the gop ensured Hilary would win.
I think with a gun to my head before last night, I would vote Hilary over trump. A lot of Bernie or bust people feel the same way but are posturing. After last night I would feel less inclined to take that gun and point towards myself after voting for Hilary, however.
typo yo, GOP = Republicans
Anyway I do
understand your position, but think about it logically: the battle for Bernie was lost, deservedly or not. That battle is over. The battle for the
platform, and his values, however, mostly succeeded!
You now have the following variables:
Your next President will be HC or DT.
Which is worse?
If HC, vote for DT.
If DT, vote for HC.
The majority of discussion and debate is about specifically that topic: which is worse for America, and which is worse for you? I think it is
impossible to logically, or rationally, or even credibly, argue, and especially impossible to conclude, that HC is worse than DT, either for America or for the proverbial "you."
Therefore, if one agrees with me, one
must vote for HC. This is what Obama means by "it isn't even close."
There is no need to overdramatize the issue by suggesting that voting for Hillary would be suicide inducing, because that's the best of the 3 possible outcomes for you and any Bernie supporter. If voting for Hillary makes you suicidal, what will you do when you do not vote and Trump wins, or worse, when you vote for Trump? Kill yourself twice? Bathe yourself in scalding acid before setting yourself aflame?
This is the critique of the Bernie die-hards: they're behaving insanely stupidly. Hillary probably provides ~90% of the platform Bernie wanted. Trump provides about negative Q of that platform. In fact, Bernie is commanding the Bernie die-hards to vote for Hillary. Doing anything other than facilitating a Hillary win is genuinely stupid for a Bernie supporter; there is no other word for that sort of self-deception and self-inflicted damage.
To the extent the vote for Trump is to support dismantling the system, or to picket against a rigged nomination process, again,
I get you, but you're throwing out democracy with the bathwater in order to elect a literal fascist who has campaigned on promises to violate the Constitution and destroy democracy.
You don't want to destroy democracy, you just want to destroy the part that created and supported Hillary, and I'm with you, but THAT battle is for 2020, starting the day AFTER we elect Hillary and thereby prevent Donald Trump from taking office and rendering that goal - the adjustment of democracy to make it more participatory - both pointless and impossible.
It's priorities. You can vote for Hillary with pride, because it's not JUST Hillary you're voting for. You're voting for a conception of democracy that doesn't have room for Donald Trump to imprison free people and wage war on religious thought and on ethnic dissimilarity.
C'mon man.