Hard to follow the two best orators since MLK and JFK but she's just got to seem genuine. She has to BE the woman that Bill and Barack described and maybe even not so humble about it.

She'll get in some policy stuff and generally be upbeat about America, she'll screech a little even though they're perpetually coaching her to not do that because that alone is like 3% of the available voters unwilling to even listen to her. Sexist, but also true and needs to be dealt with.

That's her campaign: she won't ever "move the ball," everyone else around her will need to. Obama basically said that in his speech (nicely).

That said, she won't hurt herself. She'll always be open to attack for inconsistency with past positions, but she can't help or fix that. She has to say she's evolved, and it's probably true, but that doesn't really matter.

Yes what Clark said, too.

People, especially Bill, and to a lesser extend Barack and Kaine, have described a person that the general public has never met and doesn't know. She has to cement that that person is real.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/russia...16-7?r=US&IR=T

That person is not real and Bill is a notorious liar. She is too but she's not nearly as convincing as he can be.

Come on woody, you know nearly your entire view of Clinton is projection.

The weakening ruble has been a serious drag on my lifestyle

Wrt Hillary, I completely believe that a super hard working well intentioned pragmatic compromiser absolutely exists. And we need that. I am skeptical that the person who learns from mistakes exists because she's shown little of that (to be fair her playbook has gotten her this far so I understand why some things haven't changed).

Guess the main difference is no USA flags in the background but something that looks like emails. Clearly a message to the Illuminati and the NWO

Meh, I don't even remember what the makeup of Congress was prior to '10 and I don't really want to research to have this discussion. I'll just point out that you're not really refuting here the argument that Obama faced an unprecedentedly intransigent Congress. Like I could replace Congress with a toddler who just screams NO! and your posts wouldn't change, because they don't address specifics of a) whether Congress could have been made to compromise and b) whether boundary-pushing executive orders are justified in the absence of a functional Congress.

I'd also note that if the Supreme Court tossed those executive orders, then the checks and balances seem to be working fine. The whole OBUMMER IMPERIAL PRESIDENT freakout seems to ignore that when the judicial branch said "no", he said "ok".



Admitting past mistakes is a rare talent, so well played.

I think that Hilldawg is an introvert which makes campaigning awkward and uncomfortable for her and everyone else. Making judgments of someone based on the person that comes across during a campaign is probably a bad idea for any politician but I'll bet it is especially unfair for an introvert politician (who probably should have chosen a different line of work).

The thing is that TRUMP getting the nomination was and to a certain still is hilarious. It skewers the Republican Party in a devastating way, and lord knows they deserve every bit of mockery coming their way. This is the party you've built *******s. And it similarly skewers the media, again in the most devastating way possible. I've said it before, if TRUMP had set out to run a performance art campaign attempting to satirize the media and GOP it is hard to see how he could have been more successful.

So it isn't a mistake to think that TRUMP's nomination is hilarious. It is! But of course it is also incredibly dangerous. So, wouldn't we be better off if like Jeb or RMoney or Christie or Kaisich or someone was the nominee? Of course! But remember none of those guys were the second choice. Incredibly, the alternative was Ted Cruz. Maybe the most vile and despicable politician OAT. He would be as dangerous as TRUMP imo, and without any of the satirical value.

So we shouldn't be frightened of TRUMP but rather of the Republican Party as a whole, who is apparently just straight up voting for lunatics and charlatans. TRUMP isn't the cause, he's a symptom.

I'm officially off of the Trump bandwagon.

Sounds like a new cereal box

Why?

And do you see it being temporary like last time?

The process of getting there would be interesting to hear, did posts here matter, etc.?

The one post that actually resonated with me was the one about how would Trump console the nation after a Sandy Hook situation.

Also, I like some of his ideas, but the way he talks isn't very presidential. And I don't believe any one should talk about a sitting POTUS or Secretary of State the way he does.

Trump Wagons

It's not a logical feeling. But this whole system is not logical, obviously. Bernie bros are obviously mad someone can be pushed to the front of the line based on zero merit. Bernie obliterated Hilary in all their debates-straight up homocide over and over again--but it didn't matter because the gop ensured Hilary would win.

I think with a gun to my head before last night, I would vote Hilary over trump. A lot of Bernie or bust people feel the same way but are posturing. After last night I would feel less inclined to take that gun and point towards myself after voting for Hilary, however.

So are they good bad guys or bad bad guys

idk but this is their flag



i cant read it so its possible it says free small kittens for all or sth. but right now i think reasonable to assume bad bad

typo yo, GOP = Republicans

Anyway I do understand your position, but think about it logically: the battle for Bernie was lost, deservedly or not. That battle is over. The battle for the platform, and his values, however, mostly succeeded!

You now have the following variables:

Your next President will be HC or DT.

Which is worse?

If HC, vote for DT.

If DT, vote for HC.

The majority of discussion and debate is about specifically that topic: which is worse for America, and which is worse for you? I think it is impossible to logically, or rationally, or even credibly, argue, and especially impossible to conclude, that HC is worse than DT, either for America or for the proverbial "you."

Therefore, if one agrees with me, one must vote for HC. This is what Obama means by "it isn't even close."

There is no need to overdramatize the issue by suggesting that voting for Hillary would be suicide inducing, because that's the best of the 3 possible outcomes for you and any Bernie supporter. If voting for Hillary makes you suicidal, what will you do when you do not vote and Trump wins, or worse, when you vote for Trump? Kill yourself twice? Bathe yourself in scalding acid before setting yourself aflame?

This is the critique of the Bernie die-hards: they're behaving insanely stupidly. Hillary probably provides ~90% of the platform Bernie wanted. Trump provides about negative Q of that platform. In fact, Bernie is commanding the Bernie die-hards to vote for Hillary. Doing anything other than facilitating a Hillary win is genuinely stupid for a Bernie supporter; there is no other word for that sort of self-deception and self-inflicted damage.

To the extent the vote for Trump is to support dismantling the system, or to picket against a rigged nomination process, again, I get you, but you're throwing out democracy with the bathwater in order to elect a literal fascist who has campaigned on promises to violate the Constitution and destroy democracy.

You don't want to destroy democracy, you just want to destroy the part that created and supported Hillary, and I'm with you, but THAT battle is for 2020, starting the day AFTER we elect Hillary and thereby prevent Donald Trump from taking office and rendering that goal - the adjustment of democracy to make it more participatory - both pointless and impossible.

It's priorities. You can vote for Hillary with pride, because it's not JUST Hillary you're voting for. You're voting for a conception of democracy that doesn't have room for Donald Trump to imprison free people and wage war on religious thought and on ethnic dissimilarity.

C'mon man.