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07-26-2016 , 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by GeoffRas22
Right? Like wtf. He just spent two years talkin about how rigged the system was, how Hilary is backed by corporations who really control everything and he is fighting for the people who don't have a voice. Railed against elitism the 1% etc etc. Then he loses and decides to endorse her, fine whatever, Trump is terrible and if you really just don't want him in office I guess I can see it. Then it's revealed that it was literally rigged and there's a nonzero % chance she (or her biggest backers) was in on it and he..still endorses her? At some point everything he ran his entire campaign on has to matter more than very slightly decreasing the chances some racist misogynistic ******* gets elected, and I think we're well past that point.

Also, I love that even smart people think not endorsing Hilary/all her corruption and heavily denouncing Trump are somehow mutually exclusive. The two-party system really has brainwashed everyone.
I don't think this is true at all.
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07-26-2016 , 03:07 AM
Bernie himself layed it all out there. What he accomplished. What it can mean for the future. What Hillary has pledged to support and be accountable for and why to vote for her. It was a classy, mature, pragmatic speech that validated that he was a legit presidential candidate.
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07-26-2016 , 03:44 AM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
Bernie himself layed it all out there. What he accomplished. What it can mean for the future. What Hillary has pledged to support and be accountable for and why to vote for her. It was a classy, mature, pragmatic speech that validated that he was a legit presidential candidate.
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07-26-2016 , 04:40 AM
I think it's a sign that Bernie takes Trump seriously because if he thought Hillary had an easy path to victory there's no way he betrays himself and his supporters by actively backing Hillary.
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07-26-2016 , 05:21 AM
two blokes took a handful hostages in a french church (shoulda maybe waited till sunday lads). attackers dead now. idk if all the hostages are ok
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07-26-2016 , 07:48 AM
They killed a priest in an attempt to behead him, another parishioner critically wounded.

France saying the two attackers had pledged allegiance to Islamic State.

Really shocking how many attacks there have been in mainland Europe in the past few months by those that had pledged allegiance to IS.
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07-26-2016 , 07:52 AM
It's seriously like some of Bernie's diehards (I preferred him too, but not to a rabid extent) have never read about his career. He has always made a point of doing what he can to get what he believes, but compromising to get something when that became impossible. The community centers he's always talking about are a prime example of that.
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07-26-2016 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by domer2
They killed a priest in an attempt to behead him, another parishioner critically wounded.

France saying the two attackers had pledged allegiance to Islamic State.

Really shocking how many attacks there have been in mainland Europe in the past few months by those that had pledged allegiance to IS.
I know, it's crazy. Who could have seen it coming. How did we get to this point. Oh, what a mystery!
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07-26-2016 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by EddyB66
Sanders would have been a great President. How did he not beat Clinton? I refuse to believe he wouldn't win the popular vote vs her. Why didn't he just run as a Republican? Is that allowed?


Because the dnc is a flat out disgrace. Probably the best (former) candidate since Lincoln.
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07-26-2016 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
Because the dnc is a flat out disgrace. Probably the best (former) candidate since Lincoln.
I assume you are referring to Chafee.
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07-26-2016 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by AcTiOnJaCsOn
Because the dnc is a flat out disgrace.
While true, let's not forget all the moron old baby boomer libs who voted for Hillary in the primary. Remember, Bernie is just all talk and Hillary knows how to GET THINGS DONE. Apparently getting styled on by Trump is also a thing that can be done.

Can also blame idiotic system (And DNC) where Hillary crushing the deep south early on (meaningless states to Dems as they can't win in the G.E.) and the superdelgates gave Hillary a massive headstart in public perception about Bernie being able to win.

And even setting aside Bernie (the one guy who realized how lol the DNC is) there hundreds if not thousands of better choices to be president but were basically unable to run due to a complete lack of party support.
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07-26-2016 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
While true, let's not forget all the moron old baby boomer libs who voted for Hillary in the primary. Remember, Bernie is just all talk and Hillary knows how to GET THINGS DONE. Apparently getting styled on by Trump is also a thing that can be done.

Can also blame idiotic system (And DNC) where Hillary crushing the deep south early on (meaningless states to Dems as they can't win in the G.E.) and the superdelgates gave Hillary a massive headstart in public perception about Bernie being able to win.

And even setting aside Bernie (the one guy who realized how lol the DNC is) there hundreds if not thousands of better choices to be president but were basically unable to run due to a complete lack of party support.
And while this is true, Hillary is still preferable to Trump.
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07-26-2016 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by heh
And while this is true, Hillary is still preferable to Trump.
Ok? And?
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07-26-2016 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Palo
I think it's a sign that Bernie takes Trump seriously because if he thought Hillary had an easy path to victory there's no way he betrays himself and his supporters by actively backing Hillary.
I mean, he's still taking shats at the DNC and refuses to unbound his delegates. Plus he supposedly had a big hand in the crafting of the platform. Don't think there's really any betrayal here
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07-26-2016 , 11:29 AM
Bernie Sanders is a lifetime professional politician.

He ran for the Democratic Nomination for President, and he lost.

So like a professional politician, he is using what leverage he can to help craft policy and influence the more liberal/socialist agenda within the democratic party.

Everyone is getting caught up in the sensationalism (and whiner/protesting berniebros woat) but really he is always going to support Hillary because he wants to actually try and make a positive difference.
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07-26-2016 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Ok? And?
And so people shouldn't be surprised to see Sanders throw in support for Hillary.
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07-26-2016 , 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by heh
And so people shouldn't be surprised to see Sanders throw in support for Hillary.
I agree. Who is surprised?
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07-26-2016 , 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
I agree. Who is surprised?
I think a lot of people are, judging by number of protestors as well as random democratic politicians saying they're hoping for a Bernie challenge at the convention.

Seems pretty stupid unless you're willing to cut the nose to spite the face.
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07-26-2016 , 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
California recalled Gray Davis like, a week after re-electing him cuz he was so reviled and the alternative was so bad. I wish this was in play in the event Hilldog wins
Yay, you replaced that reviled politician with a likeable braindead muscleman who proceeded to complete incompetent the state to the brink of collapse and possibly apocalypse. What a great idea to repeat this action on a larger scale! Best part is when you idiots say something like, "Oh, I don't think that had anything to do with him at all."

Cali is like America's friend who got into butt chugging and kept trying to talk us into doing it because "When you crash your car you still pass the breathalyzer!"
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07-26-2016 , 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
Yay, you replaced that reviled politician with a likeable braindead muscleman who proceeded to complete incompetent the state to the brink of collapse and possibly apocalypse. What a great idea to repeat this action on a larger scale! Best part is when you idiots say something like, "Oh, I don't think that had anything to do with him at all."

Cali is like America's friend who got into butt chugging and kept trying to talk us into doing it because "When you crash your car you still pass the breathalyzer!"
and we re-elected the braindead muscleman!
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07-26-2016 , 12:06 PM
tut what's your retort to this?

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Let’s think practically about the election in November.

How privileged do you need to be to imagine that it’s a good idea to risk the actual lives of vulnerable Americans because you “hate” Clinton?

If Donald Trump gets elected, how many vulnerable people will be hurt, how many programs cut, how bad will the the economy get under conservative policies? How much damage will be done if Trump, an open racist and misogynist, is empowered to command our military, veto bills, and nominate people to the Supreme Court, impacting life in the US for decades to come?

Trump exhorts his followers to attack protestors at his rallies (“The next time we see him, we might have to kill him,” a follower said after punching a black protestor at a rally.) Trump excuses his followers who attack a homeless Hispanic man on the street, claims that Mexican immigrants are rapists, refused to distance himself from the Ku Klux Klan, supports banning Muslims from entering the US, advocates killing the families of terrorists, and is openly sexist. Trump is the worst America has to offer.

How privileged do you need to be to imagine that it’s a good idea to risk the actual lives of vulnerable Americans because you “hate” Clinton so much that you vow to stay home if Sanders doesn’t get the nomination? How protected from the consequences of a Trump presidency do you need to be to think your hatred of Clinton constitutes, as I saw someone say earlier this week, an “inviolable principle,” meaning that it’s more important than the lives of vulnerable Americans? That all applies equally to any Clinton supporters saying the same about Sanders. (We have yet to see the full weight of American anti-Semitism aimed at Sanders, and if he wins the nomination, we most certainly will.)
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07-26-2016 , 12:13 PM
My retort is that the Clintons have been destroying vulnerable lives for 2 decades.
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07-26-2016 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by StoppedRainingMen
tut what's your retort to this?
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07-26-2016 , 12:23 PM
JFC the massacre at the japanese disabled center. Holy ****, that's ****ed up.
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07-26-2016 , 12:28 PM
Yeah this guy was on some movie villain ****. Just unreal.

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Satoshi Uematsu is a 26-year-old male and a former employee of Tsukui Yamayuri En.[2][13] In February, Uematsu wrote a letter to the Japanese House of Representatives demanding the government give him permission to request involuntary euthanasia from the guardians of patients with multiple disabilities. He said the killings of the disabled would be "for the sake of Japan and world peace", saying the death of the patients would create economic growth and prevent World War III. The letter included both his name and employer.[2] [14] During this time frame, Uematsu posted to his Twitter account that he expected he might be arrested.[15] He stopped working at the facility in February, and was involuntarily hospitalized in a mental hospital for two weeks, before being released in March
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