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It also would've been cool if someone along the way had noticed that Hillary polls terribly with human beings. It's a relevant data point and I would've enjoyed seeing some shred of strategic effort on the part of the DNC.

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In two polls taken in 2011 and 2012, she was viewed favorably by 66 percent, making her more popular than President Barack Obama and Vice President Joe Biden.

When she left that position on Feb. 1, 2013, 64 percent had a favorable view of her.

dunno where the DNC got the idea that this should be their candidate.

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07-25-2016 , 04:21 PM

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I guess I'm just wondering at what point in history this happened. Because they've never been unbiased, so I'm curious when the illusion started.

I dont really know what you are asking for here, like you want a specific date or something? I ventured a suggestion, i.e. that people over time developed a stronger sense of the propriety of unbiased and fair primaries as the elections themselves became more and more obviously ONLY a contest of D vs R. Not very many people currently view this as "this group picks their champion, this other group picks theirs, but we can still vote for anyone over 35 born in the US!" right?

This "when" doesnt exist

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07-25-2016 , 04:24 PM

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vhawk,

Rigged implies that things that were done that were illegal or artificially changed the outcome of the election. Favoritism was certainly shown by the DNC, but I believe the use of the word rigged implies something much more which there is zero evidence of.

Exactly. Like, the Bernie bros screamed their heads off that their votes weren't being counted, that long lines at polling places was designed to discourage Bernie voters, that voters being removed from the voting rolls, whether correctly or incorrectly, was part of an elaborate plan to steal the election. These emails turned up nothing like that. What's the smoking gun, a few DNC people musing about contacting a reporter or two to plant a story? It hardly seems like the rigging that they were screaming their heads off for months over.

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07-25-2016 , 04:25 PM

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Oh yeah, I also forgot about the Presidential campaign lie about being fired on by snipers. I just remembered that. Was a cool story.

Also her favorability ratings have been volatile but by March of 2015 they were more unfavorable than favorable and that has never changed and has gotten worse over time. Not exactly news.

EDIT: And they were trending that way for at least 6 months before that.

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07-25-2016 , 04:30 PM

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Well I disagree that it doesnt seem LIKE that. I mean, it isnt EXACTLY that, but it is like it. And it seems absolutely bizarre to believe that the leaked emails are the WORST of anything that happened rather than acknowledging the obvious fact that they are the LEAST of anything that happened. The thing you are talking about is the best case scenario, not "what actually happened" and the best case scenario just took a few jumps down the road towards what the Berniebros were fearing.

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07-25-2016 , 04:50 PM

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I always found it funny when people talk about the democratic party as the good guys, as opposed to, a separate group of villains.

I don't think democrats do this, ever, except for some Bernie folks (and only for Bernie). Republicans, sure; I often hear what a great job Rs are doing judging by how much they hate Obama. I mean the thing I dislike most about the Republicans is they literally force me to vote Democrat.

And...I think Hillary will make a fine president. Amid a constant barrage of pointless grandstanding "investigation" hearings, of course.

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07-25-2016 , 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CPHoya

Remember that republican congressman who admitted the renewed Bengazi hearings were intended to lower her poll numbers, and worked?

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07-25-2016 , 04:58 PM

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yep

game's the game, she should be good at it, not bad historically terrible

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07-25-2016 , 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Holliday

Remember that republican congressman who admitted the renewed Bengazi hearings were intended to lower her poll numbers, and worked?

I saw someone the other day wearing a button that said "Anyone but Clinton because of Benghazi"

I was screaming on the inside

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07-25-2016 , 05:05 PM

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It's amazing to me how people are shocked and appalled upon learning that a politician or political group could act in any manner other than completely, 100% unbiased and unprejudiced. It's like getting all up in arms about a bad call in the NBA playoffs or a WWF referee missing the steel chair interference. Hoya is right that Hillary and her cronies should be going out of her/their way to avoid getting tagged in these sorts of things but at the end of the day none of it should make a difference in how someone should vote and lol if it does

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07-25-2016 , 05:40 PM

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Hoya,

Good. Good. Let the hate flow through you

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07-25-2016 , 05:44 PM

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https://gfycat.com/SilentWickedInexpectatumpleco

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07-25-2016 , 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by CPHoya

It also would've been nice if Hillary didn't publicly protect Debbie Wasserman Schultz for crony reasons, or publicly hire her to her staff, thereby reinforcing the appearance of complete political depravity that has plagued her for a couple decades.

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I think hiring Schultz was the only way she could control the situation and keep a lid on a her.

There's a good chance there was a lot more to the corruption outside of just the emails.

(it's possible if Schultz is going down, she's going down naming names)

An alternative/supplementary idea for a motive is that hiring Schultz will encourage other people working for her in 'vulnerable' ways to stay loyal, as they will then believe she will "do good" by them should things become uncomfortable.

Last edited by tchaz; 07-25-2016 at 06:15 PM. Reason: as, per Hoya, prima facie it looks an insane decision in pr terms

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07-25-2016 , 06:22 PM

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What % chance is there that whoever wins the election will be impeached anyway? This election is a terrible look for the USA.

Just checking to make sure you know the word 'impeach' doesn't mean to be kicked out of office

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07-25-2016 , 06:27 PM

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It's amazing to me that Hilldog has operated with such sheer incompetence since the primaries began that the guy who posted here a couple times how he will legalize online poker if elected is as of this moment the only thing preventing a Donald Drumpf presidency

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07-25-2016 , 06:29 PM

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California recalled Gray Davis like, a week after re-electing him cuz he was so reviled and the alternative was so bad. I wish this was in play in the event Hilldog wins

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07-25-2016 , 06:33 PM

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It also would've been cool if someone along the way had noticed that Hillary polls terribly with human beings.

Saucy Hoya is my favorite Hoya.

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07-25-2016 , 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by vhawk01

Hey good try but I think you may have overlooked a possibility:

This principle was developed when a candidate those people didn't vote for won.

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07-25-2016 , 06:49 PM

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Hey good try but I think you may have overlooked a possibility:

This principle was developed when a candidate those people didn't vote for won.

what?

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07-25-2016 , 06:50 PM

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Just checking to make sure you know the word 'impeach' doesn't mean to be kicked out of office

Removal of office is one of the possibilities of an impeachment.

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07-25-2016 , 06:55 PM

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Hey good try but I think you may have overlooked a possibility:

This principle was developed when a candidate those people didn't vote for won.

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07-25-2016 , 07:04 PM

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Got a buncha jokesters in here

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07-25-2016 , 07:19 PM

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Go go Gary Johnson. Be the Leicester City of American Politics.

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07-25-2016 , 07:49 PM

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For all the things Hillary is terrible at, foreign policy hawk, general management, being likable, minority rights, relating to anyone, isn't Trump worse at all of them?