Why? A well educated populace is beneficial to society as well as the individual. A college graduate is more likely to positively contribute to the economy and society. A college grad is likely to earn more, thus paying more taxes. A college grad is less likely to be unemployed and require government assistance. A college grad is less likely to go to prison, requiring the state to pay for imprisonment.

Seems like a good investment for the government.

no. why shouldn't it? many families need to have either the only parent or both parents work. The families that have the means to pay for these preschools are going to be doing much better financially and for their children long-term than the ones who can't afford to send their kids to an acceptable preschool and have to choose between not working to take care of their kid or putting their kid in substandard environments in order to make enough money to cover basic necessities.

a lot of this is because the people who self-select to go to college in the current system are people who, as an aggregate, are also more mature, intelligent, and forward thinking as well as have better work ethic than the people who do not graduate college.

Well people who say it's valuable are normally talking about valuable to the person attending not to the abstract future societal benefits which I'm already skeptical of.

Putting lots of people in college who won't graduate is useless/wasteful. We may as well just print off degrees for them. People who graduated college is an obviously biased sample anyway.

I get the feeling a college degree is a bit of a prisoners dilemma but doesn't create nearly as much value as commonly believed. That's just my personal speculation

oh if daycare = preschool then i have no issue with that... carry on

MORE COLLEGE DEGREES can also apply to trade school.

This is the point. It's not that the US needs *more* college degrees. But in 2016 it practically takes a college degree to land any kind of job. And the US could certainly use *less* of young people saddled with crippling 20-year+ debt.

Reminder that $7/hour 8-5 job M-F (something an old manager at a pizza place i worked at was paid, he was an immigrant from iraq) is $7*8 hours*5 days = $280 a week ($250 after taxes), or $13,000 a year.

That's not what happened though. He had to pay family back home in Iran, and raise a kid, so instead he worked 2 full time jobs or 80 hours a week, so $26,000 a year

I don't think most daycares do enough to help the kids. Some of them fail to meet their basic needs or even comply with what the current lax laws require. The worst ones are invariably the ones where the kids with poorer parents end up as well so it harms the less fortunate even more and puts them further behind the 8 ball by the time they enter kindergarten. I think they should operate as more than just places for socialization and focus on basics like understanding number and letters for the first ~18 months then moving on to things like recognizing words and writing letters and stuff and just normal educational and vocabulary development in addition to the socialization aspects. No reason to just watch kids and make sure they don't kill themselves when you could teach them at the same time.

To those of you saying you're basically required to have a college degree to get any kind of job, what are the 2/3 of people who don't have a college degree in their late 20s doing for work?

I agree that I couldn't have the lifestyle I wanted without a college degree, but I am pretty sure I could still find work and would have been employed for most of my adult life if I never went to college. It simply would be less enjoyable and less financially rewarding than my current situation. To me it would never be worth it to sacrifice those things (even ignoring the fact that the college years were my favorite time of my life), but college is far from essential to get a job even though its required for many jobs.

Selling meth.

According to BLS, about 1/2 of people with high-school or lower aren't working at all. Now factor in that unemployment is high amongst younger people.

A competitive loan market and like 90 seconds of actual underwriting would solve so many problems. Lending Club for student loans turned into hundreds of bond offerings. You could even make all of this income tax-free.

I don't think I could design a less efficient system than the one we already have.

Frankly, I just want to see the market rates for a Hopkins chemical engineering major vs. a trade school mechanic vs. a garbage state school gender studies major.

Lol It has a million times more to do with what family they were born into.

The reason education is important is to make people smarter not to just give everyone a meaningless magic diploma.

Make everyone smarter and someone will eventually come along and solve some of these problems.

Hundreds of thousands in debt = working for the rest of your life = paying taxes for the rest of your life. The government Has no incentive to change anything

They do if their constituents demand it.

all 4 of the characteristics I named are influenced, positively or negatively, by the family environment they were raised in and to some degree their genetics.

So Rupert Murdoch's ex-wife is dating Putin.

WHAT A TIME

Hey we need interest free government loans to let more people go to college.

Demand goes up, supply doesn't, tuition skyrockets, well-intentioned but poorly allocated tax dollars fatten universities.

Whoa, people overborrowed on all those interest free loans we wanted, let's forgive all the debt!

Lack of understanding of basic economics.

minimum wage is a issue that reveals just how little many liberals know about economics

trump took another dump on betfair today, rapidly closing in on 50/50 odds

now that trump said he backed away from his pledge, south carolina is apparently going to look into yanking all of his delegates, which would be a potentially 50 delegate hit

http://time.com/4278295/donald-trump...ina-delegates/

I am far more worried about true systematic poverty and the root causes than theoretically intelligent people with decent backgrounds who borrowed tons of money for overpriced degrees and now are struggling more than they think they should.

Conceptually I'm on board with CDL that improving and enhancing pre-K through 12 is a much bigger priority.

new national poll from PPP a Democratic pollster, http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...onal_33116.pdf

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hillary with women

favorable 40
unfavorable 49

kasich with women

favorable 42
unfavorable 33

clinton wins women by only 4 points nationally against kasich, loses men by 15 points