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12-09-2015 , 01:57 PM
Cold and white - that's where you wanna be.
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12-09-2015 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I'm saying that the current system of people paying for college themselves is not broken. The costs of attending different schools are easily verifiable and there are tons of resources out there to help people evaluate which ones make sense. Entrants should weight the pros of more expensive programs vs. the costs and make an educated and rational decision. Furthermore, there are scholarships available for ~every college in the country and also need based aid and scholarships available to those with hardships. All the information to allow people to make informed decisions is there.

The government and public should not be on the hook for people who want to spend 7 years in college or want to get a degree in social media (which is a real thing these days) or a liberal arts field with no practical application. If you want to do that kind of **** then pay for it yourself.
Higher education has basically become a for-profit enterprise across the board when it in theory should be a public service.

Yeah if you as a teenager make an optimal consumer decision, things can work out for you. If you're not sharp enough at age 17 to see that U of Phoenix is a scam, or a degree in art history even from a good university is worth ~nothing despite what your dip**** baby boomer parents tell you, you can pretty much **** yourself over for the next 15+ years of your life.

What reason is there to allow that type of environment to exist? We should be working toward reducing the cost of tuition and reducing the number of useless degree programs out there. Allowing the market to correct itself is basically being done at the expense of unsophisticated consumers, who are often teenagers or first generation college students, collecting huge sums of debt.
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12-09-2015 , 01:59 PM
Outside of college campuses, I am also curious to hear about this assault on the First Amendment.

Canada and France are literally locking up comedians for jokes.
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12-09-2015 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
also

- whether or not to have kids
- how many kids to have

has been a thought out decision for basically every couple I know. it's absolutely a decision - or should be. financial consideration is a major factor.
Lol

And what do you think caused them to decide to have kids?
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12-09-2015 , 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Lol

And what do you think caused them to decide to have kids?
they like kids.

I understand your point about being biologically wired to want kids, but some people stop at 1, others stop at 5, and after 1 is probably where real life considerations trump biological unconscious needs for most folks. for some people real life considerations trump those needs completely and they end up with zero kids.

and I certainly don't think our government should be in the business of drawing lines about how many kids are appropriate for each couple to have. I think that should be on you.
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12-09-2015 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by MEb
This is essentially what Finland is going to try and I think it's a great experiment as this is where the world economy is heading in the very near future.
I too am excited to see how it works out in Finland.
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12-09-2015 , 02:09 PM
i lol at people in my feeds who trash rubio or cruz and then have tons of pro-hilary memes and posts. Shes WOAT-level serious presidential candidate
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12-09-2015 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
they like kids.
You're almost there.

Why do you think they like kids?
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12-09-2015 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
they like kids.

I understand your point about being biologically wired to want kids, but that's not gonna stop me from spitting out some nonsense that shows I don't actually understand it...
Fyp
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12-09-2015 , 02:11 PM
Most kids are had because of want of sex
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12-09-2015 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
The other laughable thing from most right-wing voters is that they're basically voting against their own self interest solely because they've been manipulated into thinking it makes them part of the group that benefits from the massive inequality.

Cutting off their own noses to spite the face of their poor black neighbor.
I think a huge % of them if not a majority are just voting on social issues without even bothering to consider the ramifications on their lives of other policies, even moreso than an attitude of being members of the country club.

A quote I saw somewhere regarding the teabagger that Kentucky just elected governor was something along the lines of: "They showed up in droves to vote against gay marriage and abortion and in the process wrecked the very health insurance system they're now relying on"
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12-09-2015 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by digables
Most kids are had because of want of sex
Other way around actually

Without biological need to procreate being evolved into us, we wouldn't even have a reason to get horny
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12-09-2015 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
Raising the minimum wage does piss those people off, and it offers them greater negotiating strength to ask for a higher salary. Rising tides, boats.
This is less of a rising tide and more of a shrinking pool.
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12-09-2015 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Fyp
I guess you could troll, or you could enlighten me, but feel free to keep trolling!
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12-09-2015 , 02:15 PM
Kids have high transaction and maintenance costs, but they're a great hedge against inflation.
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12-09-2015 , 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
nah, I went to a private university bc I deemed it better than the opportunity to go to a public university for free even while factoring in cost. I went to public school from kindergarten through high school.

I don't have a specific view on whether all schools should be privatized or not. I am open to arguments on both sides.

I think all public colleges and universities should be run to be breakeven. Charge whatever it costs to maintain campus, pay faculty, etc. I do support price discrimination such that in-state students pay less than out-of-state students which already happens. I also believe in price discrimination based on hardship and parental income in which there would be scaled costs to people coming from families with incomes below $X/yr and then full sticker (2 separate scales for in-state and out) for those above $X/yr.

I also think there should be "forced diversity" in that public colleges should be mandated to accept a certain percentage of these hardship cases (not necessarily by race/religion/etc.) in order to make sure that capable, yet underserved students have the opportunity to elevate their status in society
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so I have your position clear wrt bolded: are you defending financial-need based scholarships or are you defending affirmative action, or both?
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12-09-2015 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
If you want the rich to have less and the poor to have more then their should be mandatory transfers of wealth where the government only acts as a payment processor and not a decision maker. They should collect the money and then pay it out directly in cash payments. They shouldn't be spending any of the additional inflows on things like Medicare, Social Security, infrastructure, military, etc. If taxes increase on the rich they should be direct transfers to the poor as there is way way way too much wasteful spending when the government controls the allocation of funds and oversees the projects.
I heard a report on one of the weekend NPR shows a few months ago saying that this is most optimal for foreign charity donations as well. Much better outcomes were achieved in a study of African aid by just giving the poors straight cash homey rather than donating to orgs like Pseudo-Adopt an Ethiopian Kid or Send The Losing Super Bowl Team's Swag to Africa. So much gets wasted in the bureaucracy even in the private non-profit sector.
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12-09-2015 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by digables
i lol at people in my feeds who trash rubio or cruz and then have tons of pro-hilary memes and posts. Shes WOAT-level serious presidential candidate
Force rank top 5 actual current candidates. For simplicity let's assume Biden and Bernie are the only democrats who can get the nom if Hillary gets indicted or something.
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12-09-2015 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Noze
I'll tell you what is far fetched: being worried about a slippery slope from altering the second amendment to the first.
Fair. But a deflection none the less.
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12-09-2015 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Other way around actually

Without biological need to procreate being evolved into us, we wouldn't even have a reason to get horny

Call It whatever you want
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12-09-2015 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Kneel B4 Zod
I guess you could troll, or you could enlighten me, but feel free to keep trolling!
The urge to procreate is not something most people can just use logic and reason to shut off, especially with women. Those that can are less likely to procreate and thus less likely to even exist. We've evolved to be procreators because the procreators are the ones who procreate.

Obviously there are a bunch of reasons not to have kids and a lot of people who do shouldn't, but it's not reasonable to expect people not to have kids, regardless of their financial situation.
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12-09-2015 , 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by digables
i lol at people in my feeds who trash rubio or cruz and then have tons of pro-hilary memes and posts. Shes WOAT-level serious presidential candidate
I'm not a huge hildawg supporter (I'll vote for her if she gets the nom) but you'd have to be blind not to see that she is far and away the most qualified/experienced candidate in the race. It's not even really close.
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12-09-2015 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
Force rank top 5 actual current candidates. For simplicity let's assume Biden and Bernie are the only democrats who can get the nom if Hillary gets indicted or something.

Dont want to go down that rabbit hole. Hilary wouldnt make the list
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12-09-2015 , 02:24 PM
Rubio might be tolerable if he does the standard moderating back to center move should he get the nomination and ditches his lol tax plan. Cruz isn't even in the same ballpark as him and has the potential to be seriously harmful.

Hillary still better than both.
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12-09-2015 , 02:24 PM
Clark,

Biden isn't worth factoring in at this point. I probably go

1. Bernie
2. Hillary
3. Kasich
4. Rubio
5. Jeb I guess
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