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08-29-2020 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
Let me ask you this: you are part of a project that is trying to reduce the chances of violent outcomes when police interact with people. You have black people and police officers on this team. You do some research and analysis, and come up with things the police should do more, shouldn't do at all, better techniques they could use, etc etc. Are you saying you would not want there to be any recommendation relating to citizens in these encounters following instructions from the police even if that factor was highly correlated to outcomes?
No. Abolish police.
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08-29-2020 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by businessdude
Let me ask you this: you are part of a project that is trying to reduce the chances of violent outcomes when police interact with people. You have black people and police officers on this team. You do some research and analysis, and come up with things the police should do more, shouldn't do at all, better techniques they could use, etc etc. Are you saying you would not want there to be any recommendation relating to citizens in these encounters following instructions from the police even if that factor was highly correlated to outcomes?
I do not see how I would ever manage to find “not following instructions” as an important enough factor to warrant both-sidesing this issue.

The police have tanks. They have “warrior mindset” training. They have a blue wall of silence. They have qualified immunity for absurdly brutal acts. They have prosecutors who *need them to do their jobs* who often refuse to even charge them when they should. They often give instructions or demands which people have the right to refuse. They now literally have a Supreme Court case ruling they don’t have to be right about the law they are approaching someone for, they just have to “think” they are. They look for excuses opportunities to stop black people in general so they can keep asking questions until they find something to bust them for. This guy for instance was stopped and “instructed” for about 40 minutes before they decided he was getting agitated or something. Well, durrrrrr.

The systemic over policing and approaching every black person as a hardened criminal until proven otherwise is a blight on our country and a tool of oppression. Just like the DOJ found in Ferguson, remember? “People should do whatever they say.” ain’t no kind of answer.
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08-29-2020 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
No. Abolish police.
Agree with this. Disputes should be settled via neighborhood watch or, failing that, by West Side Story style dance fight
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08-29-2020 , 07:45 PM
but seriously, prosecute ice
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08-29-2020 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
but seriously, prosecute ice
Well yeah, but that's a gimmie tho.
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08-29-2020 , 07:51 PM
First episode of that Netflix ICE doc when they do the training and the boss guy tears into the trainees for not blasting the women in the simulation thing. Chilling stuff and I am pretty hardened.
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08-29-2020 , 09:11 PM
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Details from new book: “Melania didn’t want to move to the White House right away in part because she didn’t want to have to use the same shower and toilet as former First Lady Michelle Obama”

she waited for them to renovate first


remember when they spun it as "she's not a complete pos like her husband"?

ah, good times
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08-29-2020 , 09:12 PM
damn 72o beat me to the punch!

full article here:



be best
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08-29-2020 , 09:14 PM
firing like my mainest man DORT
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08-29-2020 , 10:23 PM
I want to apologize for my tone in here recently. That's not the person I want to be.

We need love in this world. It's an emergency. We need love.
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08-29-2020 , 10:53 PM


LOL THE LEFT
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08-30-2020 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Schlitz mmmm
I want to apologize for my tone in here recently. That's not the person I want to be.

We need love in this world. It's an emergency. We need love.
I may not agree with you all the time, but I love you chief.
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08-30-2020 , 06:40 AM
So Trump supporters drive into Portland and shoot random people on the street, and all the gutless cowards in the mainstream media go with their usual both sides bullshit headlines, all refusing to say a bad word about these lunatics. Literally everyone working in mainstream media is guilty of normalizing these psychos. Imagine how journalists would speak about this if these videos were from a Middle Eastern country.


Last edited by Andro; 08-30-2020 at 06:48 AM.
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08-30-2020 , 08:31 AM
biden seems to have the same problem as hillary clinton in that he doesnt really generate any positive headlines for himself. im sure he has plans but how many people have been given a reason to vote for him because of something he'll do?
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08-30-2020 , 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by daca
biden seems to have the same problem as hillary clinton in that he doesnt really generate any positive headlines for himself. im sure he has plans but how many people have been given a reason to vote for him because of something he'll do?
Biden finds himself in a suddenly tough spot here and I think his team is struggling to adjust as quickly as it needs to.

Prior to the recent escalation in protests, Biden could afford to sit back and let Trump bungle his way to failure. Biden could effectively run an anti-Trump/Return to competency campaign and skate. Because the police have refused to stop publicly executing black people, we've seen an increase in protests and violence. All of it justified, but to a small (but electorally important) subset of people, Trump gets to play the game on easy mode. He gets to project "strength" and forces Biden to do something. The problem is, Biden has to hold two distinct groups, that want vastly different things, together, and I have zero idea how he's going to do it.

I think his best play is to try and work the "we're better than this" and "if we come together, there's nothing we can't do" angles. He does those well, and they play well to both sides since each can interpret them how they want.
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08-30-2020 , 11:20 AM
They got to her:

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08-30-2020 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by GodgersWOAT


LOL THE LEFT
What a strange mangling of a quote, with the full quote visible right there. A great lesson in undermining your message.

Writer sounds like a weird chick, but “Through looting looters can get things for free.” (my take on her actual meaning) is not exactly a shocking conclusion. You do agree looting results in getting free stuff, right? She actually goes on to make a decent point that the story runs as “Looters are bad” which is reductive and dehumanizing when so many people are doing it. “It’s simple economics” is another, more accurate way of thinking of it.
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08-30-2020 , 02:46 PM
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Originally Posted by daca
biden seems to have the same problem as hillary clinton in that he doesnt really generate any positive headlines for himself. im sure he has plans but how many people have been given a reason to vote for him because of something he'll do?
Biden has openly stated that he does not intend to improve society in any meaningful ways. He will just keep it at its current level instead of making it infinitely worse like Trump will do with another 4 years. Which is of course true and adequate reason for everyone to vote Biden. But there are no positive headlines to be created other than "unlike Trump, I won't devolve into complete fascism".
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08-30-2020 , 03:24 PM
yeah, gonna be 10 more weeks of cops inciting violence against peaceful protesters, suburban nazis rolling into cities to murder starving ppl, while the media endlessly implores creepy joe to denounce the real problem of "looters"

good stuff
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08-30-2020 , 04:02 PM
and generally speaking it's ****ing bizarre how much an annoying number of suburban & rural ppl obsess over what they perceive to be happening in cities

like why do you even care? seriously
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08-30-2020 , 04:49 PM
and yeah, periodic reminder that white americans hated mlk while he was alive


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08-30-2020 , 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
What a strange mangling of a quote, with the full quote visible right there. A great lesson in undermining your message.

Writer sounds like a weird chick, but “Through looting looters can get things for free.” (my take on her actual meaning) is not exactly a shocking conclusion. You do agree looting results in getting free stuff, right? She actually goes on to make a decent point that the story runs as “Looters are bad” which is reductive and dehumanizing when so many people are doing it. “It’s simple economics” is another, more accurate way of thinking of it.
That’s, uh, a point.
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08-30-2020 , 05:40 PM
Methinks you may have undermined your message DUCY?
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08-30-2020 , 05:58 PM
I don’t. Care to enlighten me?
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09-01-2020 , 10:32 PM
Milwaukee Bucks stage a wildcat strike and get their state legislature to come back for a special session, showing the effectiveness of athletes' protests.

Lawmakers show their dedication to doing **** all and end special session in 30 seconds.

Awesome.
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