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06-10-2020 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
this is true. the bros have been more critical of bernie than trump recently
wow what a shitty cult he's running


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and they basically think liz warren = hillary now.
where's the lie?
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06-10-2020 , 04:26 PM
Bernie - Defund the military!

Also Bernie - Unless it's in my state, in which case we will go to great lengths to secure contracts to house F-35 killing machines.

Somehow I'm not seeing all of these hypocrisies talked about as much as Biden's skeletons. Eulogized Strom Thurmond tho.
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06-10-2020 , 04:36 PM
dood's obsession with bernie is legitimately frightening


what a disturbed individual
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06-10-2020 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
its not really that both parties are the same. they arent. but in school, the kid who gets 50% correct and the kid who gets 0% correct both get an F.
So be angry that the world isn't the way you want it to be, but vote for the kid getting 50% because at least he won't set a cat on fire at recess. ez game.

Voting for the kid getting 0% (or neither) and hoping it gets the teacher fired is historically a terrible idea.
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06-10-2020 , 05:05 PM
I took tests in college where nobody in the class got over a 50, but I think we can all agree that is Bernie's fault.
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06-10-2020 , 05:07 PM
wow, better late then never.

good on nascar
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06-10-2020 , 05:16 PM
the bros bend over backwards to signal boost every biden gaffe or pelosi misstep, so i appreciate when one of them lands a line that's good enough to share

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06-10-2020 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
So be angry that the world isn't the way you want it to be, but vote for the kid getting 50% because at least he won't set a cat on fire at recess. ez game.

Voting for the kid getting 0% (or neither) and hoping it gets the teacher fired is historically a terrible idea.

It's not the teacher we want fired it's the principal we want fired.
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06-10-2020 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Andro
Biden proposing $300 million more to a police force that's already getting way too much money is obviously ridiculous. It also highlights the need to support progressives in the upcoming primaries. There are a lot of good candidates still up for election in the primaries in the coming weeks/months. If 5-10 more AOC style candidates get elected, the Dems will likely depend on their votes to have a majority in the House. They can have actual leverage.
wait Biden really did this? like, how is it even possible to defend the guy?
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06-10-2020 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
Very Online Victor: "why get your hopes up by getting it in as a coinflip when you can get it in dead?"
in your head, you thought this was clever. and thats a problem.
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06-10-2020 , 05:29 PM
are dems embarrassed that bloomberg & warren are republicans?

i guess that'd be awkward seeing as how biden has been one literally his entire career in practice


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Originally Posted by Victor
like, how is it even possible to defend the guy?
brainworms
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06-10-2020 , 05:31 PM
biden: *does what the majority of his constituents want*

bros: how can people support this guy?
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06-10-2020 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
the bros bend over backwards to signal boost every biden gaffe or pelosi misstep, so i appreciate when one of them lands a line that's good enough to share



It's called keeping em' honest...
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06-10-2020 , 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by PunkRockHec
It's not the teacher we want fired it's the principal we want fired.
Point still stands. Accelerationism is a historically bad idea. Rooting for bad outcomes in the hope it actually furthers your goals is basically bound to backfire. If you don't believe me, ask Ernst Thalmann, the leader of the Marxists in 1930s Germany. He coined the phrase "After Hitler, it's our turn". He was executed in Buchenwald in 1944 after Hitler personally signed his death warrant.
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06-10-2020 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
the bros bend over backwards to signal boost every biden gaffe or pelosi misstep, so i appreciate when one of them lands a line that's good enough to share

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06-10-2020 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
biden: *does what the majority of his constituents want*

bros: how can people support this guy?

True because he doesn't consider Progressives his constituents...
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06-10-2020 , 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
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yas queen slay
lmao nh
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06-10-2020 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
Point still stands. Accelerationism is a historically bad idea. Rooting for bad outcomes in the hope it actually furthers your goals is basically bound to backfire. If you don't believe me, ask Ernst Thalmann, the leader of the Marxists in 1930s Germany. He coined the phrase "After Hitler, it's our turn". He was executed in Buchenwald in 1944 after Hitler personally signed his death warrant.
I dont think you could have possibly picked a worse example. the dude was murdered bc the shitlibs of his day sided with Hitler to kill all of the Antifascists.
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06-10-2020 , 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
I dont think you could have possibly picked a worse example. the dude was murdered bc the shitlibs of his day sided with Hitler to kill all of the Antifascists.
I'm not going to debate history with a guy who fundamentally rewrites it to suit his needs, but no, that's not what happened.

Regardless, he's the most famous example of someone rooting for failure hoping to be "the one" when the dust settles. It's always a terrible strategy. You don't empower fascists in the hopes they'll break the system so you can fix it.
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06-10-2020 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PunkRockHec
True because he doesn't consider Progressives his constituents...
What if he does consider them his constituents, but only in rough proportion to their share of the (winnable) electorate?
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06-10-2020 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
What if he does consider them his constituents, but only in rough proportion to their share of the (winnable) electorate?
Then it would be false????? Not sure what your point is here without some real tangible evidence that doesn't include go nowhere task forces.

For example...He just took a giant dump all #defundthepolice when he had a legit opportunity to get some credit with that side of the base (again even if it's bullshit to Biden the least he could do is ****ing lie to them). We all know he's talking out of his ass regardless with his proposed $300 million dollar increase because on it's face it's impossible to make good on that promise without specifics...and winning the election too plus the Senate would help. **** Joe if we're going that deep in the pocket why not a billion...or a trillion.

If he really wanted to treat that side of the fence like his constituents, on this topic, then the last thing you should be telling them is how much more money you want to give the police so that they can go on to continue to kill innocent black men, minorities, and the poor...not that he's saying that but that response of his is so tone deaf that's how it's being interpreted.
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06-10-2020 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PunkRockHec
Then it would be false????? Not sure what your point is here without some real tangible evidence that doesn't include go nowhere task forces.

For example...He just took a giant dump all #defundthepolice when he had a legit opportunity to get some credit with that side of the base (again even if it's bullshit to Biden the least he could do is ****ing lie to them). We all know he's talking out of his ass regardless with his proposed $300 million dollar increase because on it's face it's impossible to make good on that promise without specifics...and winning the election too plus the Senate would help. **** Joe if we're going that deep in the pocket why not a billion...or a trillion.

If he really wanted to treat that side of the fence like his constituents, on this topic, then the last thing you should be telling them is how much more money you want to give the police so that they can go on to continue to kill innocent black men, minorities, and the poor...not that he's saying that but that response of his is so tone deaf that's how it's being interpreted.
You're missing the point. I assume we agree the "$300M for police" is bad, so we can skip that discussion. What I was asking was is it possible to consider a certain subsection of your constituency as your constituency while still weighting your policy choices relative to their impact to your chances?
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06-10-2020 , 07:41 PM
We agree on the 300mill is bad...should be fairly common sense.

But people can do what they want...Again to be clear that doesn't mean that if people on the Prog. Left vote for Biden this election they are no longer Progressive and are henceforth excommunicado (saying it in Ian McShane's voice of course). Yes I don't like Biden, but I'm not mad at you if you want to vote for him...just don't pretend that he's the next JFK or FDR he's not close and he'll never will be. Be honest with yourself about the person that your supporting for that is deemed worthy of your vote. There's a reason why 60% of Biden voters say their vote is more against Drumph than a vote for Biden...

Don't get it twisted anybody that identifies as a Prog. that does vote for Biden, for harm reduction, lesser than two evils, S.C. reason voters will never be his constituency. The fact is what Biden/Corp. Dems considers the base is the corp elite, CNN, MSNBC crowd. That's just how he rolls. Their vote is in spite of not in support of...

Here's one for you...say he wins the election with Kamala as VP (or you pick the VP)...then he drops ****ing dead...2024 Dem Primary if there is a legit Prog. candidate running off of the same platform those same people are not voting for Kamala. Even if Biden is still alive and somehow isn't drooling jello through his mouth while giving the State of The Union address they prob won't vote for him then either.

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06-10-2020 , 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
I dont think you could have possibly picked a worse example. the dude was murdered bc the shitlibs of his day sided with Hitler to kill all of the Antifascists.
What is a "good" example then, and how would that work in America?
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06-10-2020 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PunkRockHec
Then it would be false????? Not sure what your point is here without some real tangible evidence that doesn't include go nowhere task forces.

For example...He just took a giant dump all #defundthepolice when he had a legit opportunity to get some credit with that side of the base (again even if it's bullshit to Biden the least he could do is ****ing lie to them). We all know he's talking out of his ass regardless with his proposed $300 million dollar increase because on it's face it's impossible to make good on that promise without specifics...and winning the election too plus the Senate would help. **** Joe if we're going that deep in the pocket why not a billion...or a trillion.

If he really wanted to treat that side of the fence like his constituents, on this topic, then the last thing you should be telling them is how much more money you want to give the police so that they can go on to continue to kill innocent black men, minorities, and the poor...not that he's saying that but that response of his is so tone deaf that's how it's being interpreted.
well until the so called Progressives start to hold these shitlibs accountable then RT is indeed correct that there is no reason to give them any sort of favor. I mean, what are they gonna do? vote Trump? So Biden and the dems will continue to toss red meat to their base which is the same policies as the conservatives enact but with better window dressing or maybe not to the same degree but that is questionable as we saw with the corporate and military handouts from Obama.
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