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06-09-2020 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Andro
Aaand the rigging has started. The GOP are gonna do everything in their power to prevent a fair election in November.



This is what scares me about the general, and why Trump has to not only be beaten, but beaten badly for him to be removed. If those against Trump vote, he loses. The problem is there will be outside forces both stopping and discouraging people from voting.

We can control the latter, and may need to with the former being out of our hands.
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06-09-2020 , 01:13 PM
Kemp Kountry Koming through big for the Reds
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06-09-2020 , 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
That's interesting because you said:



A) Saying more has been done in a few days than decades is like the dumbest, most ignorant thing I've ever heard in a while.

B) It wasn't the work of leftists, it was everyone. Claiming this is the work of leftists completely marginalizes the very people that you are supposedly trying to prop up. It's systemic racism at it's core, and it's why the majority of blacks absolutely, positively, do not support Bernie's principles.

You can keep virtue-signaling and insulting all you want, but I can guarantee you that I've done more for "worthy causes" than you have, both in my lifetime, this year, and even the last few months. So go on with your bad self.

A) that isn’t what I said in context. What I mean is that through the protests/movement, more had gotten accomplished on the issues in a few days than if everyone thought like you and wanted to settle for a ridiculously slow process that involves being realistic and pragmatic. Hope this clears it up for your pea-brain.

B) I agree it is the work of everyone involved in the protests. You and other Biden Bros seem to be keen on blaming the leftists by referencing them in your posts so that’s why I mentioned them. I never claimed they were solely responsible or even majority responsible for what happened. The ones that were out there did help though, big time group effort.

I think you might be confused as to what virtue-signaling is. You seem to often use terms when you don’t really know what they mean. I’ll try and clear it up. If anyone is virtue signaling, it’s you. You claim to contribute huge amounts towards worthy causes yet cannot stop with attacking progressives and people who actually want change because it’s “unrealistic”. You allegedly voted for Bernie and now hate him and his supporters and are a big time Biden Bro. On top of that, multiple times you’ve puffed out your chest and essentially bragged about your contributions when correctly called out on your hypocritical behavior. So to be quite honest, you’re really projecting when you call others virtue signalers.
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06-09-2020 , 01:31 PM
it's underrated how frightening these utterly deranged shitlibs are, radicalized by mainlining cnn no doubt, sad
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06-09-2020 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
it's underrated how frightening these utterly deranged shitlibs are, radicalized by mainlining cnn no doubt, sad
Horseshoe Theory: In political science and popular discourse,[1] the horseshoe theory asserts that the far-left and the far-right, rather than being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, closely resemble one another, analogous to the way that the opposite ends of a horseshoe are close together. The theory is attributed to French philosopher and writer Jean-Pierre Faye.[2] Proponents of the theory point to a number of similarities between the far-left and the far-right, including their supposed propensity to gravitate to authoritarianism or totalitarianism
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06-09-2020 , 01:59 PM
ok boomer
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06-09-2020 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
Horseshoe Theory: In political science and popular discourse,[1] the horseshoe theory asserts that the far-left and the far-right, rather than being at opposite and opposing ends of a linear political continuum, closely resemble one another, analogous to the way that the opposite ends of a horseshoe are close together. The theory is attributed to French philosopher and writer Jean-Pierre Faye.[2] Proponents of the theory point to a number of similarities between the far-left and the far-right, including their supposed propensity to gravitate to authoritarianism or totalitarianism


Lol vini quoting horseshoes from wiki but leaving out the last sentence...


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However, the horseshoe theory has also received some criticism.[3][4][5]
You think...
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06-09-2020 , 02:16 PM
Here you go link ref. from the same page:


http://theconversation.com/horseshoe...n-common-77588


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Is there a more fundamental, ideological resonance between far left and far right? Again, only in the vaguest sense that both challenge the liberal-democratic status quo. But they do so for very different reasons and with very different aims. When fascists reject liberal individualism, it is in the name of a vision of national unity and ethnic purity rooted in a romanticised past; when communists and socialists do so, it is in the name of international solidarity and the redistribution of wealth

Given the basic implausibility of the horseshoe theory, why do so many centrist commentators insist on perpetuating it? The likely answer is that it allows those in the centre to discredit the left while disavowing their own complicity with the far right. Historically, it has been “centrist” liberals – in Spain, Chile, Brazil, and in many other countries – who have helped the far right to power, usually because they would rather have had a fascist in power than a socialist.

Today’s fascists have also been facilitated by centrists – and not just, for example, those on the centre-right who have explicitly defended Le Pen. When centrists ape the Islamophobia and immigrant-bashing of the far right, many people begin to think that fascism is legitimate; when they pursue policies which exacerbate economic inequality and hollow out democracy, many begin to think that fascism looks desirable.

If liberals genuinely want to understand and confront the rise of the far right, then rather than smearing the left they should perhaps reflect on their own faults.

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06-09-2020 , 02:18 PM
ya i mean the presumptive dem nominee for president has spent literally his entire 50 year political career bragging about working with fascists, but ... horseshoe theory


is it like physically painful to be that stupid?
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06-09-2020 , 02:31 PM
i'll gladly be slandered by the same people who slandered Pete so much that no one took their Biden complaints seriously
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06-09-2020 , 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mullen
A) that isn’t what I said in context. What I mean is that through the protests/movement, more had gotten accomplished on the issues in a few days than if everyone thought like you and wanted to settle for a ridiculously slow process that involves being realistic and pragmatic. Hope this clears it up for your pea-brain.
So what you said isn't what you meant, got it. I don't know, maybe say what you mean next time and my "pea brain" will understand it.

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B) I agree it is the work of everyone involved in the protests. You and other Biden Bros seem to be keen on blaming the leftists by referencing them in your posts so that’s why I mentioned them. I never claimed they were solely responsible or even majority responsible for what happened. The ones that were out there did help though, big time group effort.

I think you might be confused as to what virtue-signaling is. You seem to often use terms when you don’t really know what they mean. I’ll try and clear it up. If anyone is virtue signaling, it’s you. You claim to contribute huge amounts towards worthy causes yet cannot stop with attacking progressives and people who actually want change because it’s “unrealistic”. You allegedly voted for Bernie and now hate him and his supporters and are a big time Biden Bro. On top of that, multiple times you’ve puffed out your chest and essentially bragged about your contributions when correctly called out on your hypocritical behavior. So to be quite honest, you’re really projecting when you call others virtue signalers.
Virtue signaling :

Virtue signalling is the popular modern habit of indicating that one has virtue merely by expressing disgust or favour for certain political ideas or cultural happenings.


Now go back and show me where I've done that. Attacking Bernie and the hypocrisy of the left is not virtue-signaling, attacking one's morality and bragging about what you've done IS. The ONE TIME I said anything about what I've done was in response to you calling me this after completely misreading my post.

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Go **** yourself, you’re an irredeemable scumbag.
Hell you even encouraged me to do so:

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Maybe don’t assume someone is virtue-signaling then? Maybe engage, give your side, and inform him of what you are doing rather than assuming malicious intentions and that he’s actually not doing anything?
I'm not sure if you could call the below virtue signaling, but here are some of your greatest hits in the past two weeks:

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Again, you don’t understand this because you have no principles
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You are such a ****ing disgrace.
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It’s obvious to anyone with a brain,
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Dood is probably more brain-addled than Biden at this point.
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He’s legitimately clueless and doesn’t care about educating himself.
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shut da **** up
It's really only three of you doing this so I shouldn't say it's all Berniebros, but you guys make it extremely difficult to have an actual conversation with your constant personal attacks.

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06-09-2020 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by vinivici9586
i'll gladly be slandered by the same people who slandered Pete so much that no one took their Biden complaints seriously
Harris/Buttegieg 2024!
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06-09-2020 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
Harris/Buttegieg 2024!
at this rate its gonna be Harris/Sanders. tough scene for the bros

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06-09-2020 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
So what you said isn't what you meant, got it. I don't know, maybe say what you mean next time and my "pea brain" will understand it.
No, what I said it what I said. I’m well aware of what I meant (as are most who can parse text) and that’s all that really matters to me. It’s not my fault you are incapable of understanding.

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Originally Posted by Seadood228

Virtue signaling :

Virtue signalling is the popular modern habit of indicating that one has virtue merely by expressing disgust or favour for certain political ideas or cultural happenings.


Now go back and show me where I've done that. Attacking Bernie and the hypocrisy of the left is not virtue-signaling, attacking one's morality and bragging about what you've done IS. The ONE TIME I said anything about what I've done was in response to you calling me this after completely misreading my post.



Hell you even encouraged me to do so:



I'm not sure if you could call the below virtue signaling, but here are some of your greatest hits in the past two weeks:













It's really only three of you doing this so I shouldn't say it's all Berniebros, but you guys make it extremely difficult to have an actual conversation with your constant personal attacks.
I don’t think you are virtue-signaling by attacking the left, I think you are virtue-signaling by attempting to dick-measure “worthy cause” contributions while engaging in POS behavior. Since you’ve bragged about it multiple times here on a dying forum, I have to assume it’s a habit of yours. It’s repulsive.

I don’t deny engaging in personal attacks (although some of the ones you quoted were not me, lol), but you constantly engage in personal attacks as well. Accusing someone of virtue signaling would definitely be considered a personal attack (as you did to Chads). You’ve engaged in countless direct and indirect personal attacks over the last couple thousand posts or so, I’m not going to waste my time quoting them all.

Also to be clear, I never encouraged you do to do what you are claiming I did. I would encourage you to place me on ignore if you find it too difficult to converse with me though.
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06-09-2020 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
Harris/Buttegieg 2024!
speaking of losing 50 states


especially after creepy joe spends 4 years doing nothing but working with his very good white supremacist friends
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06-09-2020 , 03:19 PM
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Nick Confessore @nickconfessore

A senior Trump official is anonymously telling the @MiamiHerald that unspecified intelligence links the Maduro regime to George Floyd protests, but refuses to provide any evidence or specificity.

a new clue for dood to add to his pepe silvia board in the living room
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06-09-2020 , 03:28 PM
Looks like we're in for another fun day of every GOP senator pretending they haven't seen Trump's tweets.

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06-09-2020 , 03:42 PM


party of cowards
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06-09-2020 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
It's the shitlibs that understand how to win primaries and elections, and nothing changes without that happening first. Garza has and will be walking that slogan back, and her people will follow. Even Bernie has weighed in on this:


The message is all the same, and I agree with all of them. The problem is none of it is possible unless dems win the election and flip the Senate. I know you know this, but we disagree on how important the wording is to those who vote. I was just showing you a glimpse of people that probably know more than you or I do about the subject of appealing to swing voters.
bolded is just amazing on about every level. the shitlibs who have been gettting absolutely pummeled by the republicans for 20 years sure know how to win. Trump won. he beat them.

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The problem is none of it is possible unless dems win the election and flip the Senate
its not possible if they win either. bc they dont want any change. look at their reaction to a very reasonable and important movement to "defund the police". they are doing everything in their power to stifle it. even more infuriating is they are putting up far more #resistance to such legitimate and progressive demands than they ever put against the countless atrocities and looting from the Republicans and corporate cartels.
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06-09-2020 , 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Andro
Looks like we're in for another fun day of every GOP senator pretending they haven't seen Trump's tweets.

certainly we should give these people all the funding and resources they desire. in fact, lets give them even more than they ask for to prove our loyalty. and at the expense of schools, roads, and all public amenities.
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06-09-2020 , 04:45 PM
Romney/Bernie 2024

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06-09-2020 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mullen
No, what I said it what I said. I’m well aware of what I meant (as are most who can parse text) and that’s all that really matters to me. It’s not my fault you are incapable of understanding.



I don’t think you are virtue-signaling by attacking the left, I think you are virtue-signaling by attempting to dick-measure “worthy cause” contributions while engaging in POS behavior. Since you’ve bragged about it multiple times here on a dying forum, I have to assume it’s a habit of yours. It’s repulsive.

I don’t deny engaging in personal attacks (although some of the ones you quoted were not me, lol), but you constantly engage in personal attacks as well. Accusing someone of virtue signaling would definitely be considered a personal attack (as you did to Chads). You’ve engaged in countless direct and indirect personal attacks over the last couple thousand posts or so, I’m not going to waste my time quoting them all.

Also to be clear, I never encouraged you do to do what you are claiming I did. I would encourage you to place me on ignore if you find it too difficult to converse with me though.
Good idea.
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06-09-2020 , 05:22 PM
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bolded is just amazing on about every level. the shitlibs who have been gettting absolutely pummeled by us republicans for 20 years sure know how to win. Trump won. We MAGAs beat them.
fyp. Just say what you feel Victor, it's ok.
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06-09-2020 , 06:41 PM
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fyp. Just say what you feel Victor, it's ok.
very online victor should sign up here. it's his calling: https://www.armyfortrump.com/forms/b...gital-activist
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06-09-2020 , 07:16 PM
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Police basically never stop a school shooter. All the gotcha "what will we do without police" are terrible.

The amount of times officers have refused to go into an active shooting situation is larger than the amount of times they've stopped an active school shooter.

Seadood, what is the difference between the campaign Biden ran in 2020 vs 2008 and 1988? He was way more energetic and coherent back then, his campaigns were worse when he was younger iyo?
Forgot to respond to this. I was only 14 in 1988 so I couldn't tell you too much about that, and he didn't even register in 2008 so it's hard to even critique his campaign without speculation.

What I'm talking about has nothing to do with what he ran on, but the strategy to which he ran. It started with his hiring of Symone Sanders from Bernie. Not only does he get one of his biggest rivals top employees, but he forces Bernie to hire someone else, and we all know his team has struggled with picking help dating back to 2016.

It was waiting on SC, the photo-ops, the endorsements (particularly Clyburn), and how rather than being accepting of the black majority, he pushed even harder for that demographic even when he was crushing. For a candidate that had a modest budget, he had to make his shots count and did just that.

There are a whole bunch of other masterful moves I could talk about, but my question to you and everyone else is, what do you think he did wrong on his campaign? I guess the gaffes or not being 2008 Biden in the debates, but I consider that to be more resources and talent than strategy.
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