Yeah, it's absolutely crazy to think that someone who ran on police reform, specifically for African Americans would be exactly the same as a guy who actively removed penalties and guidelines the previous administration put in place for targeted racism by law enforcement.

Woke left is so woke they don't even take the time to learn stuff, instead just foward articles that were never read and cry about things they haven't bothered to try and change form anywhere but their couch.

this wouldn't be happening if you dummies would just vote blue no matter who smdh

this is some PRICELESS projection from someone who is obviously not aware of the 50+ years of police reform programs across the entire country, and the way all reform is capable of doing is increasing police power

did you pay any attention to Feguson? how did the executive branch act then, do you know?

anyway thanks for the fun distraction, I'm done with this and back out on the streets to defend my community like I do every day.

I just can't ever stop laughing at how people think abolitionists and any other "hardliners" who recognize that liberalism is designed to perpetuate right-wing supremacy, are the ones who aren't well-read, who don't have academic analysis on their side, and who haven't lived the experiences they advocate against

hi, i'll field this one: barry called the protesters THUGZ

and then when questioned about it, he doubled down

if only we could get some real leadership that helps the citizenry like Obama or Clinton. #blueWave. the leaders of the Dem party sure set us up great for the future.

Policing is clearly a seperate issue, but Obama's admin. did set his successor up for the future with regards to a pandemic and the Trump kicked it about as badly as possible.

I’m trying to put myself in the headspace of someone who imagines that Hillary Clinton “running on police reform” in 2016 would have led to somekind of meaningful change in something. It’s hard. I think you have to either not understand anything at all or see “issues” as some mindless tick box exercise that 60 yr old blank slates engage in every four years.

Wait is that what the compromise is meant to be?Uploading a paragraph to a campaign website?

There's a significant gap between "leading to meaningful change" and "exactly the same as Trump". It's quite likely that Hillary would have achieved very little in the area but it's almost certain that she wouldn't have immediately undone the small steps that Obama managed to make in the way Trump did.

I guess I just don’t think there’s a “significant gap” occupied by “small steps” taken by Obama

Here’s the crown jewel of Obama’s “police reforms”

http://inthesetimes.com/features/oba...pment_ban.html

But hey, he ticked the box when liberals were paying attention

Hillary "Super Predators" Clinton would have totally fixed this. loooolllllllllll.

Personally I consider both restricting the ability of police forces to acquire military surplus weaponry and having more federal oversight of police departments to be significant, while still acknowledging that they are small steps in the overall picture. Those are just two of the things that the Trump administration undid within his first year that there is ~0% chance would have been undone if Hillary had won.

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Again, I'm not saying Hillary would have been particularly good, just that she is not exactly the same as Trump and that there is essentially 0% chance that she would have immediately and deliberately undone the (admittedly still fairly small amount of) progress that Obama had made.

meanwhile the responsible adults like susan rice are on tv saying that putin is causing protests in 100+ cities across the country


rwers have soros
china is kind an all play

Yeah I think most of this was performative with no real tangible results as the article I posted shows. Also I don’t see how you can be sure Hillary wouldn’t have undone the “ban” on arming the police with military gear, her husband signed the practice into law in the first place. Quietly undermining it while no one is looking would be right up her alley and is 100% aligned with her ideology.

reminder that all this stuff is how the dems responded to black riots in the early 90s

And both parties were anti-gay until about 2008ish, but Dems turned around at that point and Repubicans had conversion therapy on their platform as recently as 2016.

Regardless of the reasoning, if one party is saying "Gay people are people" and the other is saying "Zap the gays", reminding people that both were pretty awful on the issue in the 90s seems like a moot point for anything but an acedemic endeavor.

I replied before seeing that you had edited that article in and yeah maybe the policies had less real impact than I had assumed. I still think the equivalencing of the two parties is a dangerous oversimplification in most cases but will admit that I jumped in without doing proper research on this one.

its pretty amazing. d00d is even crying about Kamala who ran a right wing campaign for SF DA with some rediculous posters and signs claiming that gangs were infiltrating the area and she was the one to crack down. really, look up some of her posters. sad part is that the guy she ousted was quite progressive and arrests and violence were way down. ofc she used that to go after him. see, this softy aint arresting enough brown people (she didnt put black people on the posters obv) and Kamala is the one for that job.

if it was so easy to kick that stuff out then Obama shoulda put it in place in a little more solid fashion.

Life comes at you fast

Community policing probably better than military policing.

Zimmerman types notwithstanding.

Minneapolis and Atlanta mayors are both telling protestors not to protest.

I can't tell if this is serious or not. They left a procedure in place and a team capable of its execution. They can't stay behind and make sure Trump doesnt do something pointless and insane like disband the team and throw out the procedure.

I can't tell if I'm being punked or not. Since when did "better than Trump" turn into "fix all problems" or even "make significant progress"? That's not even factoring the fact that 45 has stoked white nationalists to the point where they now feel more powerful and untouchable than they did under the previous administration.

The far left will never get anything done because for one they can't ****ing read. They can't run a campaign, they can't read the room, hell they can't even co-opt a tragedy for their own movement properly.

But go on, bring up policy when the only thing your guy has accomplished in 40 years in naming a couple post-offices.

[edit] I forgot Bi-centennial day in Vermont.. exciting stuff!