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oh yeah that reminds me how a bigger % of shillary ppl voted against barry than bernie's ppl did against her, yet that narrative persists among the vinivici's of the world
(and yes bernie also did like 4x more campaigning than she did ... though barry might not of wanted that from her tbh lol)

thanks for being straight about that, at least

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05-20-2020 , 08:22 PM

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i don't blame bernie, but the bros were much more destructive than their 12% defection indicates. 1. they sow chaos and discord online using the same talking points that trump does. it looks worse to a moderate that bernie supporters are criticizing hillary than it does when trump supporters do 2. their move is to not show up

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05-20-2020 , 08:41 PM

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Biden didn't win solely because he was Obama's grandpa. That gets him a bump no doubt, but that's not the only reason. More moderate policies helped him appear electable to a huge portion of the electorate. That's not a value judgement on the policies, it's a statement about motivating an electorate that votes in a way that can often be perceived as against it's own self interests.

Not that needs to be said again ITT, but it wasnt Bernie's fault in 2016 and it won't be his fault in 2020. 88% of his supporters voted for Clinton and he personally put in a ton of work for her.

People might blame him if Biden doesn't win, but they're dumb unless Bernie pulls a swerve somewhere down the line.

So in the pie chart of this argument are you saying this is like 20% true...2%...what's the actual ranking here cause I got DNC/Obama/Corp Media horsetrade deal 1st....everything else a clear distant 2nd.

...and on the 2nd point while factually correct it's ultimately irrelevant...what was it that Parcells said once about point fingers and 3 pointing back...

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05-21-2020 , 12:06 AM

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related: if policies like m4a, gnd, legal weed, etc poll at 70-90% across the board, why can't dems run on them rather than triangulating with some random dumbass in an ohio diner that they invented in their head, and why won't ppl here just admit that they personally don't support these things and/or that the same billionaires who run gop policy donate to both parties so they also run dem policy too?

dems: "we can't pass this great legislation that the vast majority love until we have enough power"
also dems: "we never have power bc we refuse to run on that stuff, or pass any of it when we do have the ability to do so"

also see - progressives give dems the house in 2016 midterms, nancy & chuck spend 2 years doing nothing but telling them to stfu

Seems like you should ask the black people who voted against Bernie in droves twice why they don't like him, because that is the biggest reason why he lost twice.

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05-21-2020 , 12:20 AM

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"progressives give dems the house in midterms"...where is this coming from? everything i have seen suggests it was a lot more suburban women switching sides-many of the same wine moms that people love to make fun of for having loathsome politics (which is true of like 90% of people)

I think the dem leadership is largely horrific but lets not pretend that the revolution happened in 2018

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05-21-2020 , 12:27 AM

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Seems like you should ask the black people who voted against Bernie in droves twice why they don't like him, because that is the biggest reason why he lost twice.

Well if there's one thing we know it's that black people are never wrong. Also they are all the same

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05-21-2020 , 12:54 AM

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lets not pretend that the revolution happened in 2018

the revolution has not, and judging by 2020, never will happen

congrats all

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05-21-2020 , 07:59 AM

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its pretty funny how out of touch the centrist venis are of the world. anyone with half a brain knew that Bernie would fully and actively support whichever Dem won. yet they act like its some big brained burn. like, Bernie refuse to even attack anyone while the Dems went after him for 4+ years. hes like the most loyal Dem of all time.

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05-21-2020 , 11:10 AM

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I think what’s actually going on here is because we are starting from a baseline that actually principled positions either don’t really matter or we’re all more or less on the same page (eg some range of yes healthcare to no healthcare to I don’t know what healthcare is), then anyone’s past enthusiasm for Bernie as nominee can only be based around his cult of personality.

Since it’s just about a cult of personality, anyone who isn’t hyping dementia Joe is out of step with their cult hero, and therefore deserves to get boom roasted as a frothy cult member who can’t let go. It’s just sports entertainment after all.

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05-21-2020 , 11:19 AM

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lol Warren. How mad does it make veni that bros were right about her. as she continues to prove.

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05-21-2020 , 01:28 PM

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I wonder if there’s a correlation between when candidates start paying lip service to popular ideas and the likelihood that they are going to do what it takes to implement them while in office.

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05-21-2020 , 01:42 PM

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now up to 39 million ppl who have lost their job
and your private health insurance that you supposedly like ... can you keep it? no, you can not

(meanwhile lyin' liz officially backs off of m4a lol)

but some good news!:

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CNBC @CNBC

American billionaires got $434 billion richer during the pandemic

hmm, should they maybe be taxed in order to build a better world that works for all?
both parties: "lol, no"

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05-21-2020 , 02:17 PM

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lol Warren. How mad does it make veni that bros were right about her. as she continues to prove.

I will give the bros another glorious moral victory, but I’m definitely not mad. I’m pro party unity

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05-21-2020 , 03:19 PM

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It's a victory for no one

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05-21-2020 , 03:37 PM

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veep watch: klob getting a push today

of the choices that might actually happen, think harris or warren are prob better if i'm being completely honest, though i haven't dug into this stuff at all really
(just based off of what i've seen thru the primary mostly)

klob seems like a worthless tim kaine type pick that gets you nothing, but she's prob the least principled, so...

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05-21-2020 , 03:41 PM

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It's a victory for no one

you might be wrong. kind of like the time you thought lebron would play the twilight of his prime under the stewardship of deplorable dan and with 30 yo kevin love as his best teammate simply because NE Ohio is a great place that he wants to raise his kids. oops

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05-21-2020 , 03:53 PM

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(meanwhile lyin' liz officially backs off of m4a lol)

wait you mean the former Republican wasn't being sincere about implementing a progressive agenda and only cared about votes? And the person she is trying to run with has an even more deplorable track record?

Two years from now RT, Vini and Seadood are gonna be "totally shocked" when Biden inevitably backtracks on his promises (which arent even that much to begin with) and tells that now is not the right time for change. Actually no, they just won't care.

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05-21-2020 , 04:35 PM

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No I thought he would stay bc it was an easy path to the finals so it would be good for winning. Considering the Lakers missed the playoffs, I was right.

Keep lying tho. Wouldn't expect anything else.

Btw how mad were you that he did return?

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05-21-2020 , 04:37 PM

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No they will actively support it. Doesn't matter what Biden or the Dems do or don't do. Promises policies and programs don't matter. Gotta support the team. #blueMAGA

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05-21-2020 , 04:44 PM

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pretty mad. the organization and fan base is disgraceful

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05-21-2020 , 05:00 PM

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TeAm SpAwtS bIdEn WiNs

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05-21-2020 , 06:29 PM

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pretty mad. the organization and fan base is disgraceful

NE OH is one of the most Dem areas of the country. these are your people.

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05-21-2020 , 06:38 PM

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NE OH is one of the most Dem areas of the country. these are your people.

Bron going back to Cleveland was some maga **** and the way people lapped it up should have been a sign that the populist movement was coming. There was more honor in returning to the worst possible organization and location to conduct business because "in NE Ohio everything is earned, nothing is given" than there is grinding for a top franchise that happens to be in a nice location.

Props to him, he had a lot of people convinced that Ohio sucks so much that "just one" for the land = MJs 6. Well at least before the last dance documentary