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Originally Posted by Victor
you are massively overemphasizing both the impact of those bills and Bernies influence. theres a difference between voting yes for a bill and writing the damn thing or spewing sound bites for months on end in favor of it.
that said, Bernie is about the bare minimum of someone worth voting for.
also, its a lot easier to disregard a vote or influence on a bad bill/policy when the guy has a long history of being on the right side otherwise and has a deep list of good policies.
but ya continue to tell us how saying some kinda nice things about the NRA in like 1985 is the same as support for locking up a generation of minorities and killing a million Iraqis.
I'm going to try and have an actual discussion with you about this instead of flinging mud.
In my previous post I said idc what Bernie did with policy, and I even offered up rational positions for him making decisions that some might deem hypocritical.
I'll try to reiterate what I said wrt Policy, which is that it's meaningless to argue because there is nuance that's often ignored. Biden didn't vote on a "Bill to kill hundreds of thousands of people in Iraq" or a "Bill to incarcerate minorities", however that is what the propoganda would lead us to believe.
That is imo a big reason why his campaign failed--he didn't read the room and recognize his audience. He went hard after Biden on his vote to give W power to invade Iraq, but he failed to realize that most of America was also in favor of doing this.
We all know now that it was a terrible decision, but at the time it wasn't that clear. Two planes had just flown into the WTC, and the majority of America was shook. You had the Scott Ritter (UN weapons inspector) telling everyone that Iraq was no threat and the CIA telling the Senate (via the president, according to him) that there was. Then there were rumors flying over the news that Ritter had a questionable history of sexual deviance*, and people saying those rumors were planted by the CIA. It was a very confusing time.
Now look at Bernie's criticism, and think about how you'd feel if you were one of those, as most were, who felt the US should remove Saddam from power at the time. Bernie is blaming Biden for a decision that you agreed with at the time! How would that make you feel as a voter?
That's why I don't like policy as a platform, because I don't think it sways voters one bit. What it does do is demonize the other candidate to their core constituency, which I think has the opposite effect. Bernie's campaign run did an excellent job of elevating his appear within the demo that already loved him, but that isn't way to win voters.
Cliffs - You aren't going to win voters when their reaction is "I was there, it was a different time back then."
*Turns out he was a pedo, busted twice for it. It still hasn't stopped him from being interviewed by the left and right however.