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05-04-2020 , 07:07 PM
wait, fredo is supposedly against charter schools?

has anyone told 10 yacht de vos?
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05-04-2020 , 07:11 PM
I don't really trust somebody who doesn't know how to speel simple words and capitalizes words for no apparent reason, to read through and interpret the candidates' positions.
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05-04-2020 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
tannaidz: for the one millionth time, $how ur werk

no empty rhetoric ... what concrete policy is in creepy joe's platform that is for anyone on the left?

the only "olive branch" i've seen is lowing ss by 2 years lolol
(which doesn't matter bc he'll work with his repub friends to bankrupt it anyway)
And for the millionth time: it doesn't matter what examples I give, because you'll constantly move the goal posts and say "it's not enough", "It will never happen", or some other bullshit to keep from admitting your full of ****.

Biden is a more moderate candidate than Bernie, so he's obviously not going to have all the progressive policies Bernie has (or any of them amirite? High five??), but continuing to say that Biden hasn't done anything to try and reach out to more progressive voters is objectively wrong.

You just won't accept anything he does other than "die", "drop out", or "adopt all of Bernie's positions" which isn't a reasonable starting point.
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05-04-2020 , 08:16 PM
you forgot "go get covid in a supermax for being a serial rapist"


there has been no outreach beyond "twirling towards freedom" empty rhetoric

and i mean, who's his veep gonna be? who'll be calling the shots in the cabinet? (since he obv has no idea where he is)
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05-04-2020 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by txdome
I don't really trust somebody who doesn't know how to speel simple words and capitalizes words for no apparent reason, to read through and interpret the candidates' positions.
i hope this was intentional
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05-04-2020 , 09:12 PM



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Trump on funds for "Democrat states". "If we do that we're going to have to get something for it."
blue states are ukraine now, poc always have been


"don't let perfect be the enemy of good"
-ancient white guy in red state proverb
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05-04-2020 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Seadood228
I can respect this take, although I think the former is more likely.. If for nothing else because dementia and age might lead to something.
Usually leads to death but ya know details right...that VP slot tho
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05-05-2020 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by lenC

this list is comical because Biden is responsible FOR like half these problems he is promising to fix.

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Originally Posted by lenC
Free college for families making under $125k he adopted from Bernie AFTER becoming the de facto nominee. Forgiving student loans in bankrupcy he adopted from Warren AFTER becoming the de facto nominee.

But of course being against dumb **** like national rent controls = enemy of the left I assume. Those people don't vote anyway so who cares.
jeez i wonder why student loans are not dischargeable in bankruptcy? oh yeah, thanks Joe

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The Republican-led bill tightened the bankruptcy code, unleashing a huge giveaway to lenders at the expense of indebted student borrowers. At the time it faced vociferous opposition from 25 Democrats in the US Senate.

But it passed anyway, with 18 Democratic senators breaking ranks and casting their vote in favor of the bill. Of those 18, one politician stood out as an especially enthusiastic champion of the credit companies who, as it happens, had given him hundreds of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions – Joe Biden.
and Biden enacting a wealth tax? just lol
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05-05-2020 , 06:16 AM
The question was how left leaning is Biden's platform. I don't know all that much about the Gerald Ford's of the world but I would guess that by that he'd be the most left US president of all time or possibly since FDR. There's been a significant shift from Obama and Hillary, I feel like it's a big deal but gets drowned out by the propaganda machine of the left. Then there was butthurt that he's not doing anything to pander to the left since Bernie and Warren dropped out and that too is false.

If the pivot is to "well he doesn't really believe it" then that's a pretty useless conversation as it's impossible to prove either way. And I'd even agree with you. He doesn't believe in pretty much anything, he's an opportunist not an ideologue who just says and does whatever is necessary to keep himself elected.

Do you also think that all the career Dems had the same awakening about gay marriage some odd years back or did the scales of public support just kinda tip far enough that while they personally didn't give a ****, they had to adopt it. Legalising weed is probably the one thing he's blindly dogmatic toward yet he gets **** on for not adopting it by the same people that claim he's not for the left policy wise blatantly lying on his platform with positions that conflict with his personal beliefs.
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05-05-2020 , 08:25 AM
Listing off nominal policy positions (many of which are that way because of how long Bernie stayed in the race despite calls for him to quit) is not a useful way to evaluate his platform. Some of those aren’t even policy positions, they are just things that exist that batshit righties have somehow made “controversial.” Being in favor of a capital gains tax is not progress or left in any sense of the word.

Taking your example of gay marriage, that was a SCOTUS ruling that happened with a passive President who didn’t have to do anything except stay out of the way and not argue it via the DOJ. So on that particular position yes, we can benefit from almost any Dem being in office at the time.

When you’re talking about expanding healthcare and introducing universal healthcare, these are monumental shifts involving creation of a national strategy and huge amounts of work from the federal government at the expense of a huge industry we aren’t just going to fall into it. We absolutely need a President who not only believes in it but will fight for it. Same goes for the majority of “positions” Biden is “for.” As if there’s even a 1% chance we are coming out of a Biden administration with 2 years of free college or no private prisons.

And it’s not even vaguely hard let alone impossible to determine how much Biden believes in the more substantive policy positions. He has a huge voting record and tons of corporate donors which give it away.

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05-05-2020 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Andro
Relevant and spot on tweet.

Ya I don't criticize lefties. Biden and the Dems aren't left lol wtf u thinking. Biden has bragged his whole career about how conservative he is.
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05-05-2020 , 11:17 AM
lol that chart has some egregious misses, and spelling errors. Trump is pro-nuclear, Biden hasn't proposed a wealth tax (an increase on taxes for wealthy people is not a wealth tax), Biden agrees with the paid family leave that already exists at 12 weeks (Bernie said he'd do 6 months) etc. Almost all the issues in there aren't binary yes/no as already mentioned, and obviously missing a ton of stuff that Bernie's for and Biden's not.

Like if you're going to put all three on a chart be more nuanced/reasonable, if you want to go straight yes/no then just don't include Bernie at all.

White hair: Bernie Yes, Biden Yes, Trump NO

Would still obv vote Biden
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05-05-2020 , 01:11 PM
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This brings us to Joe Biden. Just what kind of liar is he? The following is a sampling of some—certainly not all—of Biden’s lies in a variety of areas.

Biden’s lies about his policy record are numerous and glaring. One of Biden’s most often repeated lies, widely reported as a lie even by CNN, is how he opposed the 2003 Iraq War from the very moment it began. Of course, not only was Biden instrumental to the launch of this war but supported it long after it began—this all painfully depicted in the Danny Glover narrated short documentary “Worth the Price?”

The Iraq War lie is certainly not Biden’s only policy record lie. Regarding Social Security, Biden repeatedly lied in recent debates saying, “I didn’t propose a freeze,” when he had repeatedly argued for not only freezes but cuts in Social Security.

Beyond his lies about his policy record, Biden has repeatedly lied with the intent of making himself appear to be honorable. He has often lied about how “he got involved in the Civil Rights movement” and how “he marched in the Civil Rights movement,” despite videos of him admitting this to be untrue. Also to court African American voters, he has repeatedly lied about getting arrested in South Africa attempting to visit Nelson Mandela in prison, an assertion that he has now admitted is untrue.

Attempting to make himself appear intelligent, Biden has lied about his academic record and his grades, lying about graduating in the top half of his law school class when in fact he graduated 76th in a class of 85. Then there is his infamous plagiarism that derailed his campaign to win the Democratic nomination for president in 1988. His plagiarizing of then British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock brought attention to Biden’s previous plagiarism at Syracuse University College of Law.

One of the lesser-known Biden lies may not be as significant a lie for some journalists, but it is a lie that speaks loudly about Biden’s character—or lack thereof. Perhaps it is just me, but I find it especially pathetic when someone exploits family tragedy for political purposes with a lie that creates personal tragedy for someone else.

Specifically, it is Biden’s lie about the horrific traffic accident in 1972 that resulted in the tragic death of his first wife and his baby daughter, as well as resulting in severe injuries to his sons. The truth is that Biden’s then wife was hit by a truck after she drove into an intersection in which the truck had the right of way, and the police investigation cleared the truck’s driver from any blame. To gain greater sympathy for himself, Biden repeatedly lied to the public saying that the truck driver, Curtis Dunn, was a man who “drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch.” This falsehood of course deeply hurt Dunn. His family made many attempts to get Biden to correct it, and finally in 2009, after Curtis Dunn was dead, Biden called Dunn’s daughter to apologize.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/05...liar-is-biden/


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05-05-2020 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
These two lines are both outright lies, but you know that, so whatever, glad I could catch today's matinee.

In other news, Victor, any chance we could get you and whoever this guy is to do a podcast? I'd pay some decent money for an hour of that back and forth:



(I have no idea who this guy is and I don't have my own twitter act. so if he's some dude banned from social media or something, my bad. He just seemed like some GOP douche who said Bernie and Joe were the same)
lol thats pretty funny. althought, theres a lot more than GOPers who are saying they are the same. half the DemE is trying to tell us that akshawlee Biden will implement Bernies policies.

MoStEsT pRoGreSsIve PlAtFoRm EvAaArRrRrR
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05-05-2020 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellmuth was right
this list is comical because Biden is responsible FOR like half these problems he is promising to fix.



jeez i wonder why student loans are not dischargeable in bankruptcy? oh yeah, thanks Joe



and Biden enacting a wealth tax? just lol
holy **** that list. truly amazing.
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05-05-2020 , 07:31 PM

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“I think we’re starting to look at the Memorial Day window, early June window as a time when we could begin to transition back to having our agencies begin to manage -- begin to manage our national response in a more traditional manner,” Pence said.

It’s worth noting that one projection shows the country’s daily coronavirus death toll couch reach up to 3,000 by June 1 if social distancing restrictions are relaxed too quickly, meaning it’s possible the task force will be winding down as thousands of Americans are dying every day from the virus.
lol
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05-05-2020 , 07:59 PM
on the one hand we care about human life as early as conception
on the other hand we don't really care about thousands of lives if their sacrifice helps the stock market come roaring back.
what a quandary.
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05-05-2020 , 10:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bazooka87
lol that chart has some egregious misses, and spelling errors. Trump is pro-nuclear, Biden hasn't proposed a wealth tax (an increase on taxes for wealthy people is not a wealth tax), Biden agrees with the paid family leave that already exists at 12 weeks (Bernie said he'd do 6 months) etc. Almost all the issues in there aren't binary yes/no as already mentioned, and obviously missing a ton of stuff that Bernie's for and Biden's not.

Like if you're going to put all three on a chart be more nuanced/reasonable, if you want to go straight yes/no then just don't include Bernie at all.

White hair: Bernie Yes, Biden Yes, Trump NO

Would still obv vote Biden
It really seems like the best case for Biden is he has a Bush like presidency. He has similar views, but maybe he will let the left wing version of Cheney actually run things bc his brain is soup.
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05-05-2020 , 10:24 PM
City where I live has the 3rd highest current case growth rate of any "metro" in the US

Pretty much everything is reopening in the next week

lol god help us
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05-05-2020 , 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 72off
you forgot "go get covid in a supermax for being a serial rapist"


there has been no outreach beyond "twirling towards freedom" empty rhetoric

and i mean, who's his veep gonna be? who'll be calling the shots in the cabinet? (since he obv has no idea where he is)
****, knew there was one I was forgetting. Oh well, props for at least just being honest.
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05-06-2020 , 03:01 PM
yep, usa#1 now at "mission accomplished" stage of this thing
way over trying to do anything about it, herd immunity* time baby
let the poors die where they may
and honestly it's a bipartisan effort as the dems don't really seem to care that much either
maga

* - can't wait until it gets confirmed that this strat is bad for other reasons


meanwhile in other places like south korea where it hit at about, or maybe the exact, same time, they've basically beaten it, for now, and are playing baseball once again
two hundred and fifty five (255) ppl have died of it there

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05-06-2020 , 03:04 PM
"can't be a failed state if you were never any good to being with"
-eddie murphy lookalike pointing at his head meme


will have a hearty lol when rbg bites it before nov and gets replaced by the kent st gun girl or whatever
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05-07-2020 , 08:51 PM
So the bar for what will/won't get you arrested for a lynching in Georgia is basically the public release of video that the police have had for 3 months?
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05-08-2020 , 12:36 AM
Pretty much...sadly it would have been his birthday tomorrow.
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05-08-2020 , 12:38 AM


Michigan Part II... why do I get a bad feeling there's going to be a Part III

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