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12-08-2015 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
He hasn't come out with specifics, but there are a lot of obvious options.
Ok, like what?

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Originally Posted by cannabusto
Let me first be clear that I'm all for it. But not sure anyone could've predicted TuT feeling the Bern this election season.
Why? Bernie is a populist promising the world to everyone. He's exactly the type of politician to gain some weird patterns of support.
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12-08-2015 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Ok, like what?



Why? Bernie is a populist promising the world to everyone. He's exactly the type of politician to gain some weird patterns of support.
There are tons of examples in the many countries that have implemented a system like this. Pick your favorite.
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12-08-2015 , 09:27 PM
Mainly because he seemingly hates homeless people and hates helping anyone that isn't him or a loved one. Maybe I'm wrong. But it sure seems that way.
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12-08-2015 , 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Bernie is a populist promising the world to everyone. He's exactly the type of politician to gain some weird patterns of support.
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
it's not his promises that I care about as much as his overall philosophy on income inequality and the general trust that he has earned from me through seeming like an actual caring and compassionate guy.
I was completely unaware of his promises and still don't even know what they are. It's not about that. He didn't really do anything for me personally most likely.
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12-08-2015 , 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cannabusto
Mainly because he seemingly hates homeless people and hates helping anyone that isn't him or a loved one. Maybe I'm wrong. But it sure seems that way.
Mostly true, but fixing income inequality makes those people less of a problem to me.

I find it comical that the world allows a handful of people to control all the wealth.
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12-08-2015 , 09:32 PM
Why we should go to Mars:

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12-08-2015 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
There are tons of examples in the many countries that have implemented a system like this. Pick your favorite.
God this is funny.

1) You won't simply say the obvious - a huge tax increase
2) Bernie won't say the obvious, because duh
3) These obvious solutions are super unpalatable to the american public
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12-08-2015 , 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
God this is funny.

1) You won't simply say the obvious - a huge tax increase
2) Bernie won't say the obvious, because duh
3) These obvious solutions are super unpalatable to the american public
lol, of course I'm talking about a tax increase. They ways this might manifest are myriad. We could, e.g., just have healthcare.gov sell the government plans people get to pick from, and that they have to buy. We could have a VAT. We could have a new marginal rate on capital gains. We could eliminate the cap on payroll taxes and raise them some.

Either way, paying for health care via insurance or paying for health care via taxes doesn't leave me any worse off.
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12-08-2015 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by wiper
wifer showed me a pic of confiscated weed, scales, cash and a couple guns on a table that the police got from someone a couple blocks away.

I said that the (like, an ounce or two of) weed was just an excuse to steal the money and guns (that they'll sell for more money). she said that "they probably rob people with them, I'm glad they got caught"...

I replied, "we have more weed and more guns and more cash in this house right now. think about what the table they could put on the news would look like if the police searched our house for an hour and some idiot saying we probably were out robbing people".

"oh. yeah I guess."

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lol at your racist wife
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12-08-2015 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by THAY3R
Neither side is for "raising taxes on the wealthiest among us" and "cutting military spending". Seriously. It's all just a pandering game that keeps the elites' in power. A higher progressive income tax harms earners and producers the most, not the rich, and it actually further increases the elites power. You may think the causes behind the Left's actions are more noble, but they are doing nothing about economic disparity other than bringing middle and lower upper class down and increasing federal power. Their position on military spending is also sadly the same as Republicans.

The current political system is just a racket that protects the elite and connected.
1)What does the false dichotomy of American political parties have to do with what I think is right for America right now? In addition, how does this address individuals who do, indeed, fight for those things? Politicians and elected officials are individuals. "The government" is not a monolithic boogeyman.

2)There are many other taxes besides income tax. Capital gains taxes and estate taxes, for example. Hell, closing some of the loopholes that led to the 2008 financial crisis and making sure we don't have to shell out trillions to bail out those *******s again would be a great help.

It just seems to me like you took a general statement of philosophy and decided to apply it to specific things that really weren't what I said at all.
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12-08-2015 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Montecore
Whether we're conservative or liberal, republican or democrat, SS or nathdids, I think we can all join hands together in appreciation for how amazing this quote is:

This is phenomenal.
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12-08-2015 , 11:27 PM
As far as raising the minimum wage goes, does it really help with income inequality in the aformentioned "economics 101" sense? I'm generally in favor of a living wage, but I am not convinced that it actually addresses the problem (though someone more economics-savvy could convince me).

I mean, I was taught in those 101-102 classes that more money chasing fewer (or even the same amount of) goods = prices rise. It's a fine and even noble notion that people working full time shouldn't have to bunk with other people working full time in order to afford rent + utilities, I totally agree with that. But if you start paying those people enough to afford their own places in the short term, that increases demand for rentals, so rents increase, right? Once we're back at 'equilibrium,' aren't those people you tried to help eventually right back in the same boat even though they might have a comma in their paychecks now?
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12-08-2015 , 11:29 PM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
This is my main reservation with aggressive gun control, or worse, repealing the 2nd amendment, because, and I know this is tired and cliche, SLIPPERY SLOPES. If it could somehow be repealed without opening up any doors to further constitutional tinkering, AND the state could effectively get a good chunk of guns off the street, I'd mostly be fine with that. I just don't find it likely.

And my chief concern would be if the 2nd amendment goes, the 1st would be next in line for heavy revising.
no one should care about these useless weakass amendments. the moast important one has already been trampled, shredded, spit out and defecated on.

its just super lol that all these ppl are hell bent on defending their guns, and now we even got ideologues backing them up when our moast irrefutable rite is already gone.
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12-08-2015 , 11:30 PM
And my initial thought as to how to address that specific problem might be "let the gubmint build affordable housing" but after my second viewing of The Wire I'm not sure that's ideal either.
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12-08-2015 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by kidcolin
Amending and repealing somewhat different things, and prohibition kind of a special case, given it's historically short lifespan (also interesting choice to bring up, given the parallels). But messing with the actual bill of rights is kind of a different animal, and it would be a major event in American history.

And if this thread is just gonna be cocky gotchas and ****, which aren't even the least bit funny, poignant, or interesting, with very little substance... Then this is basically politics and this thread serves no purpose.
dude.

lol at the bill of rights. do you actually think our country follows it?
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12-09-2015 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
As far as raising the minimum wage goes, does it really help with income inequality in the aformentioned "economics 101" sense? I'm generally in favor of a living wage, but I am not convinced that it actually addresses the problem (though someone more economics-savvy could convince me).

I mean, I was taught in those 101-102 classes that more money chasing fewer (or even the same amount of) goods = prices rise. It's a fine and even noble notion that people working full time shouldn't have to bunk with other people working full time in order to afford rent + utilities, I totally agree with that. But if you start paying those people enough to afford their own places in the short term, that increases demand for rentals, so rents increase, right? Once we're back at 'equilibrium,' aren't those people you tried to help eventually right back in the same boat even though they might have a comma in their paychecks now?
while a general increase in wages could increase prices, the net effect is still likely to be an increase in spending power for workers.
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12-09-2015 , 02:00 AM
The key isn't artificially raising wages, it is bringing the cost of living down through innovation and competition/free market solutions.

In 1900, people spent 1/2 their budget on food, 1/3rd of their budget in 1950, today I think the # is like 1/8th . We just need to make the cost of the main needs for the average family far cheaper.

Same for education. If these schools didn't just survive on reputation and government handouts and had to compete, this cost would go down sharply very quickly. Admin budgets at these schools are a joke.

Healthcare we do have some legitimate issues with demographics and the health of our citizens, but no way an MRI should cost 10k. The costs for services like these are far cheaper in other countries. Not really an expert on this or anything but more competition in health care seems like it would work.

Hopefully autonomous ride sharing and 3D printing will further bring the cost of living down for people. The increased mobility/savings on transport costs would be so vital for the less fortunate. The more innovation to bring people the essentials, the better. Once everyone has their basic needs met and a chance at a good life, then income inequality really doesn't matter all that much.

Would like to see nuclear power become more emphasized by the government. Bill Gates had to go to China for his company TerraPower to be able to develop their new reactors because the political ****ery in this country is so bad. Our country just doesn't do big things anymore like Manhattan or Apollo.

Unfortunately, a lot of current asset holders and staple industries would need to lose a lot of $ for many of these changes to occur. So umm, not this week....

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12-09-2015 , 02:33 AM
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How many states can you name both senators for?

I ask this because I think Kentucky might be #1 for people naming both senators. Yet I say that in disgust...
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12-09-2015 , 02:47 AM
Ikes,

Please tell me your concerns about how Bern would raise income taxes.

For all of the talk of his plans being ideological pie in sky stuff, no one actually indexes his policy proposals and says why they are unattainable. He really hasn't proposed anything radical. He proposes stuff that already exists or are extensions of what already exists.

That's progressing a current system, not tearing it down limb by limb to rebuild it.
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12-09-2015 , 02:49 AM
I don't think Rand is that bad. At least he's genuine.
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12-09-2015 , 02:55 AM
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Originally Posted by chuckleslovakian
Question

How many states can you name both senators for?

I ask this because I think Kentucky might be #1 for people naming both senators. Yet I say that in disgust...

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Originally Posted by ludacris
I don't think Rand is that bad. At least he's genuine.
Rand is a true believer and generally consistent. I'll give him that. He has sounded more like his father out of desperation since he started to fall in the polls.

Not a huge Ron Paul fan because his endgame is dystopic, but that's a step in the right direction, as Ron Paul has fought for some of the best causes harder than any in Congress during his tenure.
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12-09-2015 , 02:56 AM
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I don't think Rand is that bad. At least he's genuine.
lol. His family's wealth and relevance is based on a grifting empire.
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12-09-2015 , 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
lol. His family's wealth and relevance is based on a grifting empire.
I can't wait to hear what this guy has to say about the Clintons.
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12-09-2015 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain Oi!
Rand is a true believer and generally consistent. I'll give him that. He has sounded more like his father out of desperation since he started to fall in the polls.
He's a true believer in policies that will help him and people like him, sure. Lol flat tax.
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12-09-2015 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Onlydo2days
The key isn't artificially raising wages, it is bringing the cost of living down through innovation and competition/free market solutions.

In 1900, people spent 1/2 their budget on food, 1/3rd of their budget in 1950, today I think the # is like 1/8th . We just need to make the cost of the main needs for the average family far cheaper.

Same for education. If these schools didn't just survive on reputation and government handouts and had to compete, this cost would go down sharply very quickly. Admin budgets at these schools are a joke.

Healthcare we do have some legitimate issues with demographics and the health of our citizens, but no way an MRI should cost 10k. The costs for services like these are far cheaper in other countries. Not really an expert on this or anything but more competition in health care seems like it would work.

Hopefully autonomous ride sharing and 3D printing will further bring the cost of living down for people. The increased mobility/savings on transport costs would be so vital for the less fortunate. The more innovation to bring people the essentials, the better. Once everyone has their basic needs met and a chance at a good life, then income inequality really doesn't matter all that much.

Would like to see nuclear power become more emphasized by the government. Bill Gates had to go to China for his company TerraPower to be able to develop their new reactors because the political ****ery in this country is so bad. Our country just doesn't do big things anymore like Manhattan or Apollo.

Unfortunately, a lot of current asset holders and staple industries would need to lose a lot of $ for many of these changes to occur. So umm, not this week....
I agree with most of your post, but the bolded doesn't ring true. Do you have stats for the amount poorer people spend on transportation and any evidence that ride sharing would decrease this costs? Most poor people rely on public transportation (rather than owning a car) and it seems like buses are likely to remain cheaper than modern ride sharing because they operate on predefined routes with more people on them than can share a car.
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