When the conservatives lost to Trudeau again 3 months ago I saw serious people actually suggesting Peterson run for Conservative leadership. The base of "qualified" people in conservatism in 2020 is nonexistent.

Hide your delegates, hide your coinflips

The party structure is incestuous and antidemocratic

RT: agree or disagree?

The government in the US is illegitimate

RT: Agree or disagree?

Pretending it's a conspiracy theory serves to obfuscate how bad things really are

RT: Agree or disagree?

Trump made a claim with no basis in fact that he was being conspired against. It's the same thing Bernie supporters are doing now.

Your standards for fairness are impossibly high to meet. Yes, the DNC has a preference, because its made up of people, hopefully democrats, who very likely have their own preferred candidates. Some of these people will be in positions of considerable power where it would be possible to put a finger on the scales if they were so inclined, but the fact that that could be the case doesn't mean it is.

You mentioned SEC refs earlier, but all your example really talked about was the appearance of impropriety, not actual bias. Yeah, it wouldn't look great to use SEC refs in an Alabama v. tOSU bowl game, but if all the calls were correct, the only people whining after the fact would be tOSU fans looking for an excuse. Besides, we don't have 14 conferences in politics, we have essentially 2, so it's going to be impossible to have a party chair at every level who's never made a facebook/twitter/whatever post that can be interpreted as leaning towards one person or another.

I somewhat disagree. I'm pretty confident that if Peter MacKay would've ran last election the Conservatives would've won.

Of course the main problem is that once Trans Mountain is full send - I mean it pretty much already is but for some reason no one recognizes it - the Conservatives won't care cause they're idiots. Well racists.

Largely agree. It's a direct and inevitable result of FPtP voting, and can't really be fixed until we either move to a proportional repersentation-type system or something like RCV

Meh, disagree I guess. This is too broad a question to be useful. This sounds like the old Ancap/Taxation-is-theft days where nothing could be legitimate because everything violated some practically impossible non aggression principle or something.

Does the US derive 100% consent from 100% of its people? No. Does it function about as well as a bureaucracy is going to function for 350,000,000 people? It does pretty well.

You've mentioned before that you're an anarco-communist (I think?), so I imagine we're pretty far apart in our political leanings. That's fine, but it's going to turn into a pretty massive derail if we go down the Das Kapital rabbit hole.

What does "it's" refer to here?

I don't have cable. Are MSNBC, CNN, Fox talking about this and this happened in Iowa as well?

Maybe. I'll be curious if they try to do anything beyond pander to the Prairies going forward.

I feel people don't realize how crazy buying Trans Mountain was for a left leaning government. And the Liberals get zero credit for it. No wonder they give zero shits about the prairies. And I'm from there.

Correct and same.

it turns out it was actually worse than this. Perez called the recanvass so that they could figure out a way to give Pete 2 more real national Delegates than Bernie.

I know where my vote is going in Nov.

Forget about what my larger worldview is, or your own. Don't go based on what you think is going to be some technical gotcha, because there is none. Just for the narrow focus of what we learned in comparative government 102, or whatever the course was called for you, and the textbook was written from the perspective that capitalism is centrism, do you remember when we would learn which governments were legitimate, and which weren't?

Or if you had an instructor who gave a ****, it was up to you to decide, as long as you could understand the definition, and provide your reasons?

How is a country that disenfranchises people based on race, legitimate? If you think democracy functions about as well as possible here, frankly, that's terrifying. Most places in this country, prisoners can't vote, but the prisons count towards that red district's population for representation. Red states purge hundreds of thousands as of voter registrations, each, and their state secretaries don't even bother to use something other than their public emails when explaining who it is they're targeting with these maneuvers, and who they're targeting with the useless voter ID laws that are nothing but a poll tax, and who they're targeting with the shutting down of polling places and ID places. Hell, even just refusing early voting, or vote by mail, that's just another de facto poll tax that most western democracies have abolished.

Even when Florida used the popular vote to restore voting rights to ex-felons, their governor who himself was narrowly elected only due to widespread Jim Crow shenanigans, effectively neutered this referendum. Ensuring that only the whitest collar felons will ever be able to vote again.

I have no idea what all those tweets were about. regardless, if your last paragraph was true then you would have Bernie no1. bc its been settled. we aint voting Liz or Biden or any of those clowns. so if you would truly walk thru water then open up your wallet and donate the max. sign up for a webinar and start texting or calling.

but somehow, I dont believe you just like I dont believe damn near anyone else here.

edit: I just reread and figured out the twitter stuff

hole up. Suzzer was calling me a bot? and also accusing us of following conspiracy theories? jfc you cant even make this **** up.

ya dude I am a deep plant from ****ing 2002 that learned how to play poker and watch sports and program so that I could make a few inflammatory Bernie posts in 2020.

i ****ing knew it

538 and PredictIt both have Bernie favored to win every single state (Except lolIowa, which he won for all intents & purposes and may have legitimately won if we ever get an accurate SDE count irregardless) so at this point you either have to vote for Bernie or for I guess Pete or whatever. Liz isn't an option anymore.

The whole party would be wise to get on board and go all in with Bernie at this point and the fact that they aren't tells you where their priorities lie

You can't call out people on their commitment to defeat Trump when you take the position of "vote for my guy if you want me to participate in the general election because I'm not showing up otherwise."

I respect the passion for Bernie but this argument isn't productive.

It gets even worse than that. Even if we could solve all of the issues you mentioned (and the ones you didn't, like closing polling stations in predominately minority neighborhoods, etc.), we'd still have the electoral college, which changes the value of each person's vote based on location. I'm in the process of moving right now and in the span of one week, my vote is about to become more valuable...wat

The issue though is that "legitimate" isn't a binary line your cross or not, at least in this case. Would we be more legitimate if we allowed all previously convicted felons to vote following the completion of their sentence? Yes. Would we be totally legitimate? Seems clear the answer is no.

And all of that begs the question of whether or not what amounts to a simple direct democracy is the best/only way of having a "legitimate" government.

So? We aren't trying to call ppl out in that. We are trying to get health care. Trump doesn't matter much at all.

Not sure how I missed this Mayor Bernard 40 years ago.

bern bros: if no bern, no me! bern it all down

also bern bros: if bern is the nom, you have to vote for him or you love trump



dumb kids

Thinman, some people actually don't want tens of thousands to die from not having health insurance every year.
They want to vote for the one candidate promising to end that.

and it's your way or the highway right?

just say it.

Go **** yourself Boomer, can’t wait for the worst generation of all time to be gone.