The party structure is not competent or impartial

This isn't some kooky idea. Jesus. We see it in sports fr front offices and we accept it and don't call it a conspiracy theory. Because it would be dumb as hell to do that.

Also we all used to be on board with saying politicians look out for their money above all else they falsely claim to care about, but now that, too, is apparently a conspiracy theory, because we need to feel intellectually superior and we need the comfort of seeing this pattern we can call hysterical so we don't have to recognize things are as bad as they are

My bad. It's out of my system and he's back on ignore

did you guys know that there is actually a way here to tell if someone has you on ignore or are just blowing smoke?

seriously, it has been 15 years and you guys are still this terrible at this??

Well someone seems to be botting on Bernie's behalf. It seems weird to me to LOL at the idea of Bernie Bots, but believe every single conspiracy theory against Bernie to the point of hating every other candidate over it.

I'm gonna post this here and then peace out a while.



Any Bernie Bro with this attitude can **** straight off. Liz is my #1, Bernie is my #2, everyone else is far behind. But I will still walk through fire to vote for Biden over Trump if I have to.

I owe it to the kids in cages and the scary scary **** that could be coming down for immigrants and minorities in a Trump second term. Just because Burning It All Down is unlikely to affect me personally as an upper-middle-class white guy - I recognize a lot of people who are very very vulnerable - and figure it's the least i can do.

That's a bad look Suzzer. Hoarse is one of the worst accounts on twitter. Wall street corporate hack who just shills for attention.

You're also not beating Trump if your only message is "Trump is bad." That was the entire HRC election strategy! It explicitly failed! If you can't drum up enthusiasm for your candidate, you will lose. People like Warren have had over a year of campaigning to garner this enthusiasm. They have failed. They should drop out, and I say this as a fan of hers.

thread has gone full aids, must mean that bern is killing it


btw i love the arguments from the "vote blue no matter who" / "anyone but t" donks saying that which ever dem gets in will get mutombo'd by a gop sentate ... so if it doesn't matter then, support the front-runner with the biggest & most diverse base?
so weird how that is never the logical conclusion...

except that bernie is not a democrat

I remember this time in 2016 there were so many people saying Trump wasn't a Republican. How did that work out?

yet another data point in his favour


also, i feel like this anti-bern stuff is being amplified by the republicans who cosplay moderate
we've seen there is no effective oppo stuff on him
their "best" so far was wildly out of context comments from like 50 years ago lolol
any of the others would get absolutely destroyed by what's already out there


(is that trump thing from 2016 talking about how scared he is of bern real?
saw it going around a week or two ago, but never saw the source)

yes and now we criticism them as drones, yes-men, and having sold out their values.

obviously different 'values' in play as it has hard to draw that solid line...but it is not much different.

bernie is not a democrat, so i have no problem saying i will vote blue no matter what and omitting the bern from that equation.

not my fault the democrat national party is stupid enough to put him on their stages.

he puts the (I) next to his name, not me.

Every Republican in office has the same values they do today as they did 5 years ago.

Their will be a Republican president after Trump. They are not likely to be a moderate. This is why someone like Bernie is important and why Biden/Pete would be a didas5 only a few levels above Trump.

great plan. let's spend the next eternity reversing each others policies every 4/8 years because they were far too extreme for the other side.

you guys have this all worked out.

carry on

Oh I see, let's elect the Democrat who will enact Republican policies, so that they stick around. Perfect.

Better to just let the bully run things.

The 20% really is going to go poof.

You're arguing with a bunch of 30 somethings.

who said that? how about we start this go around by just trying to get back to where we were? or hey, even a little further...

instead, the low attention span kids want it all....now.

what you guys need is city politics, not national.

Ok, but words have meaning tho.

I posted some **** up thread about Biden's campaign using some extra votes sent to Liz/Amy at one caucus to make sure Bernie only got 1 delegate at a site he won by 20%. They didn't break any rules, they just worked within the (admittedly dumb) rules to ensure their opponent suffered a setback. That's politics.

When people talk about the DNC "rat****ing" Bernie, they aren't talking about them running some nasty ads or something, and if you truly think that then you're being willfully naive. They're talking about an entire gamut of goofy conspiracy **** from rigged coin tosses to vote switching for which they have zero proof.

It's the difference between Belichick knowing the rules and using back-to-back penalties to run some extra time off the clock and Belichick paying the refs to call more penalties on the other team. One is gamesmanship, the other is outright cheating.

People are accusing the Dems/DNC/whomever of the latter when it's really just the former.

For the hundredth time, no this isn't what happened.

Using every bit of available data we have, Hillary, the boring, awful centrist who ran the awful campaign and spent more time in deep blue Californian than purple Wisconsin and Pennsylvania, would've won if not for Comey. Full stop.

She had a huge lead, lost it after the Comeybomb, finished right about where the polls said she would and won the popular vote by 3 million votes. She lost the electoral vote by 77,000 votes spread over 4 (crucial states).

America would've elected a dreaded centrist had Comey not done what he did. Dread it, run from it, reality arrives all the same.

We should still vote for Bernie because he's the best candidate and the reality of 2016 doesn't change that, but stop parroting the false narrative of what happened as support of what you want. Bernie's bona fides are enough on his own. It's the same line of thinking as the conspiracy ****. He doesn't need nonsense to win. He's more than strong enough on his own.

If anything it's reason to keep expectations reasonable. Bernie, correctly, doesn't want to eliminate the filibuster so he knows he's not going to force through M4A or a bunch of his other plans right away, but that's ok. He's still a voice for massive chance in the highest office in the land, and a lot of what he wants can be done by Executive Order.

shirley you realize that offering ~zero material improvement in ppl's actual lives is how you got trump in the first place, right? nah, you obv don't.

and he basically won by promising to piss off the shitheads they hate. and enough ppl were like, you know what, that sounds hilarious, and is literally better than ~nothing.

basically every dem candidate other than bernie, and maybe liz: "vote for me and i'll, uh ... stop a little bit of the racism & cruelty?? and that's about it


average yanks: why do i care about that?

What is a policy a Democrat could enact that Republicans would not try to block or undo?

Didn't know Belichick was able to pay the referees to cha ge the rules about who could participate in a debate, or lobby Goodell to change how much satellite caucuses would count after they were held and after he decided to not send any campaign representative there the way he did for the "normal" (white) caucuses

A lot of the other stuff you're throwing out, RT, it feels like when someone throws out the dumbest tumblr **** they saw from an allegedly queer person and is trying to use that to argue against a queer politics point I was making

Also, the establishment isn't Belichick. The establishment is the referees, and any time there's a judgment call, they're biased towards stopping Bernie. It's not a conspiracy it's just who they are

Except instead of subconsciously favoring the home team, they believe Bernie will erode their class privilege. Which, god, I hope he does, but it's an uphill battle even after he wins the White House


Or it's a bowl game, in SEC Country, and they're using SEC refs instead of a third conference, and all the refs actually have had all their previous jobs be to work for that SEC team's coaches and players, and they all share this very strong belief about how politics are supposed to work, who "deseves" what because of their turn or their credentials or their personal relationships

So we’ve got entrenched money systematically corrupting the Democratic Party to the point where it just goes without saying that of course they dont want Bernie, and a political institution set up to enable anti-democratic gamesmanship at every turn, but the most important prt of this conversation is that technically that isn’t a “conspiracy”?

Glad we’ve got the common sense brigade to bring us back to earth, #strategy2020

Do they disappear with Biden, Bloomberg, or Buttigieg?