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01-31-2020 , 11:00 PM
Hillary isn't entitled to the votes of people that voted for Bernie. Lol at blaming Bernie for Hillary being a god awful candidate.
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01-31-2020 , 11:01 PM
How is Hillary still relevant - seriously?

Everyone in both parties wants her out of politics
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01-31-2020 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
It's not a mystery at all. States have open primaries. Others don't, but union members are still largely registered Dems. Labor unions endorse Bernie. Old racist rust belters believed Trump would help their jobs more than Hillary. And you know which states swung the election by a hair.
So No True Bernie Supporter would ever switch their vote. Clear enough.
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01-31-2020 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by tabbaker
Hillary isn't entitled to the votes of people that voted for Bernie. Lol at blaming Bernie for Hillary being a god awful candidate.
Correct. As if Bernie didn't exist, those people would have voted Hillary instead of Trump. It's just ludicrous. And there are much larger groups of people you can blame if you really want to blame voters. Like people who stayed home, which is the majority of people!
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01-31-2020 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RT
So No True Bernie Supporter would ever switch their vote. Clear enough.
Yeah so you're not interested in being sincere

Have a good one
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01-31-2020 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
RT I'm talking about demographic numbers, not a sound byte from Sanders
Really? Because it sounds like you're using your anecdotal experience and personal preference to inform your opinion

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Originally Posted by PocketChads
It's all a sick ****ing joke. The people I meet in any kind of organizing that actually helps people, not electioneering but actual mutual aid and direct action, these people are nearly universally Bernie supporters. And Bernie is the compromise candidate for these people. They're actually much farther left and/or anarchist.

You can nominate someone who actually excites people in the general election, or when you lose again, you can complain about how people who dedicate their lives to socioeconomic justice are all somehow young cis het white misogynistic men in your warped perception of the world. Who, by the way, despite your disbelief, overwhelmingly vote for whoever the Dem is against Trump. It's the completely disaffected people who don't talk politics and stay home, who could have made up the difference needed to win. The people who got conned by Obama to be excited enough to show up to the polls, but are still poor and still oppressed and can see through Hillary and whoever else in ways you want them to just ignore. Whose lives materially now are not any different than if she'd won.
The demographic data from the 2016 primaries was clear. Bernie's largest block was young, white people. He did reasonably well with young POC but not with older POC. That's changed since then but that's obviously not what we were talking about so that's a moot point.
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01-31-2020 , 11:09 PM
Less Bernie primary voters went to Trump than Hillary to Romney. Wapo said it was 12% or 6% depending on how you calculate. But 24% of 2008 Hillary went to Romney. Lol.

Regardless, it's pretty hilarious that the demE is all like we gotta appeal to the moderates and bring in Repubs and then when Bernie actually does that y'all hammer him.

Or as PC says its a sick joke.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...outputType=amp
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01-31-2020 , 11:14 PM
its just pure entitlement from a party that are ideologically indistinct from Reagan Republicans. they dont stand for the improvement of any of the citizenry and they dont even really campaign on it. they expect your vote just by virtue of their existence but dont expect them to make your life any better. they serve the same entrenched interests and paymasters as the Republicans but they are a bit more civil. they will build concentration camps but they wont advertise it (now deporting and droning they still brag about). but when it comes time to ensure basic human rights in the richest country in the history of the world you would be a fool to think they are working for that.

also, Thayer was right and I was wrong. sorry bro.
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02-01-2020 , 12:03 AM
Chuck Schumer socializes with Jarvanka and appeared happily on the apprentice. Nancy Pelosi is married to a billionaire. Hillary Clinton. Tom Perez. The list is endless. If you think these mother****ers give a **** about you, you’re a straight up ****ing moron.
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02-01-2020 , 12:22 AM
literally 5 days ago, the day kobe died:


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02-01-2020 , 12:27 AM
What in the living **** is an Alfalfa Dinner after-party?

Like that's just some thing we're supposed to know?
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02-01-2020 , 12:40 AM
absolutely awful posting by SRM, thought he had a pulse but guess I was wrong

Bernie probably 50% to get assassinated in 2020 at this point
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02-01-2020 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by suzzer99
What in the living **** is an Alfalfa Dinner after-party?

Like that's just some thing we're supposed to know?
Well how the hell do you unwind after your Alfalfa Dinners?
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02-01-2020 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
The Sanders-Trump voters just aren't even the people y'all imagine when you say "Bernie Bros." They're old racist people whose only Internet usage is Facebook.

The people y'all call Bernie Bros would rather kill themselves than vote for Trump. Also, the people y'all call Bernie Bros are majority female and majority POC, and very disproportionately queer, trans, public school teachers, and other things you'd never say that dumb **** to their face.

Oh how dare some people get uncivil on the internet when replying to rich pundits who think our rights are a game.
People who voted for Bernie in the primary but Trump in the general largely weren't voting for Bernie. They were olds voting against Hillary. This should be easy to understand.
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02-01-2020 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
People who voted for Bernie in the primary but Trump in the general largely weren't voting for Bernie. They were olds voting against Hillary. This should be easy to understand.
The same olds that Hillary won handily, or are you implying that roughly 10% of the ~13 million votes Bernie won were double secret protest votes because even for 2p2 that's some spicy conspiracy ****.
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02-01-2020 , 07:18 AM
nancy pelosi's husband isnt even close to being a billionaire lol
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02-01-2020 , 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by RT
Well...no. SRM isn't wrong, but like literally everything else on the internet, it's just not the whole story.

Sanders absolutely did work his ass off for Hillary after he dropped out. That's beyond debate, but only around 88% of Bernie Bros voted for Hillary, and something like 10% of them actually switched to Trump.

That means that if those particular bros had just stayed home, we have President Hill-dawg today. But to go beyond that, it's just not that simple. You can't pull one thread without moving a few more.

Bernie isn't the issue here though, he's fine.
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It wasn't, Hillary got 3 million more votes than he did. People just like to bring up Superdelegates because it makes it seem like Bernie is being held down by "the man".

Turns out there's just a bunch of olds, moderates, and establishment types that aren't total racist monsters but also don't want a ton of stuff to change (which, oddly, makes them partial monsters because there's a lot of **** that could stand to change). Like always, the world is bigger than the 2p2 SE Politics thread.
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Originally Posted by PocketChads
The Sanders-Trump voters just aren't even the people y'all imagine when you say "Bernie Bros." They're old racist people whose only Internet usage is Facebook.

The people y'all call Bernie Bros would rather kill themselves than vote for Trump. Also, the people y'all call Bernie Bros are majority female and majority POC, and very disproportionately queer, trans, public school teachers, and other things you'd never say that dumb **** to their face.

Oh how dare some people get uncivil on the internet when replying to rich pundits who think our rights are a game.
I wanna bathe in all of this
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02-01-2020 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by tabbaker
Hillary isn't entitled to the votes of people that voted for Bernie. Lol at blaming Bernie for Hillary being a god awful candidate.
oft forgotten fun fact
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02-01-2020 , 09:31 AM
I identify with like 80% of the things Bernie says and maybe like 2% of what Hillary says. The fact that Hillary and Bernie are even in the same party is lol. They don't represent the same people and have like ~ nothing in common. Wish the political system was not the way it was and that Bernie could just run third party and not even have to pretend that him and Hillary are on the same team.
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02-01-2020 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by RT
The same olds that Hillary won handily, or are you implying that roughly 10% of the ~13 million votes Bernie won were double secret protest votes because even for 2p2 that's some spicy conspiracy ****.
Why does anyone waste 2 seconds defending Hillary Clinton in 2020, she ran maybe the worst political campaign of all time.
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02-01-2020 , 11:25 AM
bernie is not a democrat.

quit treating him like one and more importantly, stop giving him resources.

why the **** he is on the stage of a Democrat debate i will never understand
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02-01-2020 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
bernie is not a democrat.

quit treating him like one and more importantly, stop giving him resources.

why the **** he is on the stage of a Democrat debate i will never understand
The DNC just changed the rules at the last second to allow a billionaire up on the stage. the fact that you are questioning Bernie and not Bloomberg says a lot about you, as a person.
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02-01-2020 , 12:16 PM
The DNC are really gonna make the same mistake they did 4 years ago. They learned nothing. There is no hope.
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02-01-2020 , 12:19 PM
A lot of the establishment dem types hate Bernie more than they do Trump. That’s why none of this is really that surprising.
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02-01-2020 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by #Thinman
bernie is not a democrat.

quit treating him like one and more importantly, stop giving him resources.

why the **** he is on the stage of a Democrat debate i will never understand


It’s amazing the people like this who aren’t even wealthy and wouldn’t be adversely affected by Bernie’s policies, yet still hate him.

Last edited by Mark Ross; 02-01-2020 at 12:29 PM.
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