Can we have a president who's under 70?

This debate is easily the best so far. Seems like even Biden finally hired someone to watch their pervious **** and point out where they've been awful and tell them to do at least slightly less of that.

Edit: Until this last question where everyone decided they needed to plug their podcast

billy boy sarcastically live-tweeting the debate but mostly accidentally making great points is something else:


more than offsets that i would assume

lol

sure, sounds good man

lol

guessing they'd say the same if asked, my man

rip creepy ol' joe bipartisenile


also, as neither mayor pete or kop kamala have any chance...




and the squad apparently officially endorsing bernie tomorrow is yet another good plot twist

high hopes for this new season

Kamala should keep trying to bang her way to the top.

yet another endorsement for bernie

bernie sucks, it ain't happening

BERNIE

That heart attack sunk Bernie and Biden, too. It's Warren's to lose now and I don't doubt that Hillary is thinking seriously about trying again.

I wish Warren would just say she will raise taxes on the middle class to pay for Medicare for All since it is true, necessary, and a good thing.

Also, her evasive stuff about costs going down is a blatant lie. If she specified that they would decrease for the median middle class person that might be true and pertinent, but it certainly doesn't apply for all of the middle class.

I personally think that people like me should see costs rise (I currently make money on my health insurance each year bc my work gives me a HSA bonus of more than my total spend including premiums) AND see my taxes increase to subsidize healthcare for others. Just tell the truth about it though. I'm not the only person in America who has good work coverage and an HSA and doesn't have much in the way of medical expenses. This is a good thing and if it means people like me have less disposable income so that people who need it more can be better covered that is perfectly ok.

Biden cannot be the nominee. He is horrendous. Pete is also very very bad and I feel bad for thinking he was a good candidate at the beginning of the year.

Steyer burning this money infuriates me. He isn't going to win and this money would be extremely useful if channeled toward Senate campaigns and voter registration efforts.

Costs absolutely will come down.

15-20% of health care spending is insurance company bullshit. Put them out of business, they have no reason to exist. Next up, big pharma, **** you, no more bullshit price fixing, arbitrary price increases and perpetual monopolies. Haven’t even gotten to the savings of not having a $6,000 deductible or a lifetime cap, etc.

This isn’t hard to understand, look at literally any other country. We’re special only with respect to our willful stupidity.

Whoever it was I made the Hillary bet with; PM for buyout?

She is talking about the costs to individuals which are highly variable in the middle class based on how much your employer covers, family size, and your specific medical needs.

I believe universal healthcare is the obvious solution and is cheaper on the whole, but it won't be cheaper for everyone in the middle class once you raise taxes (correctly) to pay for it. It also doesn't need to be. Bernie owns this by saying he will raise taxes. Raising my taxes should happen. Its not even a bad thing but Warren acts like raising taxes on the middle class is some sort of taboo.

Agree that health insurance companies should cease to exist which is a pivotal point in universal healthcare.

Because she's not stupid. She knows that if she says "Your taxes will go up $400 and your costs will go down $800, saving you $400 while increasing the quality of your care" a decent chunk of voters will stop listening at "Your taxes will go up $400...".

She knows the financial reality of M4A the same as Bernie, but she has a shot of winning (unlike Bernie), so every time she's asked about it she dodges it since answering hoenstly would come to define her campaign.

1. being honest is important

2. its fine to say taxes are going up. taxes on the middle class should go up.

What is your definition of the income range for middle class households?

Median household income is around $63k. If you say middle class is $50-199k there is a pretty vast difference between a family making $50-70k and one at $190k per year even though both families would almost certainly describe themselves as being middle class.

Middle class is definitely a very wide range. Its probably even wider than you described. I would say more like 40k to 500k on a household basis. An increase in taxe rates by say 3-5% should be offset by median healthcare costs on the lower end and at least through the middle of that range for the median family as opposed to single individual. Healthy single people just starting their working careers would definitely get the shaft here, but I think that's reasonable.

This brings up another worthwhile point in that we need a lot more tax brackets. Like there should be a minimum of a dozen and preferably like 30 different ones. The math on the back end isn't particularly difficult even if done by hand for that many brackets and its not like people are doing their taxes by hand anyways.

is it cheaper if I pay a bit more but then when I get some debilitating disease or even just non-negligibly reducing quality of life condition and the insurance company doesnt have to pay and I am stuck out of pocket for 1ks or 10s of thousands or 100s of ks?

insurance sucks and its expensive and it doesnt cover ****. and I have "good" insurance.

I don't doubt that lots of families bringing in $500k/year describe themselves as middle class but lol at them.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/27/how-...-us-state.html

National average to be in top 1% of households is $421k. Even in rich states like Cali or NY it's only $514k and $550k. Connecticut is tops at $700k.

Only if we use some uselessly large range like the one you've proposed. The majority of actual middle class families (not lol$500k/yr) don't need more rate hikes.

Saying Bernie has no chance isn't going to make it so sorry fellas.

ya middle class taxes absolutely do not need to go up. just tax everyone who makes over like 250k and its ez.

Also, we can borrow money and pay it back at 2.22% for 30 years. We should be doing that as much as possible.

Just make the argument that by borrowing a ton of money, spending it on an educated and healthy population will produce economic gains that far outpace 2.22% over the next 30 years.

Connecticut WOAT state. Not one redeeming quality.