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Originally Posted by Lawnmower Man
I agree with you here and don't think I've articulated my point very well, so my bad. What I'm really trying to say is be aware of how your posts read given this seemingly popular movement of using the premise (flawed studies) to discredit all scientific research in bad faith. It's not necessarily as salient as a troll posting fossil fuel-funded studies on climate change. Instead, it's Skaalansky claiming there are no experts in many fields and then realizing how many woke bros agree and are operating under that assumption. They're going to use legitimate critiques of research as free cover for this narrative.
As for the Tribes paper specifically, calling it hot garbage and then saying all studies are garbage is kind of what I'm talking about. Removing the hyperbole, an accurate statement I agree with is that the Tribes study is flawed and all studies are flawed. They run this out as a false equivalence to question science, knowledge, and experts. You might be surprised by how many people on this forum think they know more than the experts or that there are no experts at all.
A fair point. I'm definitely not on that train. And it does sound like I'd be surprised, yes.
I'm probably venting my considerable frustration with neuroscience ATM. It is a long prestigious and even exalted science which just happens to be in its infancy due to a cult-like devotion to the 100 year old "nice guess but totally wrong and on the most important part exactly the opposite of correct" theories of literally just the first neuroscientist who happened to be able to *draw*! Up until a little over a decade ago, any research results had to be able to explain how they neatly fit into their demigod's beliefs or was frowned upon and dismissed out of hand as bad science. Actively attempting to disprove it was outright career suicide, plus colleagues and mentors would try to talk you out of it like goddamned Tallahassee police on a rape investigation. So practically no one did even though to hear them tell it now they *all* hit points in their research where the writing was on the wall. So practically every neuroscientist was either a cultist or a huge pussy for their science or both, and yet (due to being older) those same people are still in charge (hooray for tenure, I guess?).
And now for a football analogy. It's like the 2018 Florida State offensive line predictions; "Last year they were *terrible*, but this year they're *experienced*! Personally, I don't think it's working out very well in this case either; you put Nick Saban in charge and he'd immediately get all the old coots diagnosed with career-ending injuries so he could cut their scholarships and replace them with 5-star recruits! Probably makes the New Year's 6 instead of failing to make a bowl, too.
I did make some money betting against FSU early in the year so was fine with it, but then I did not need FSU to perform unconscionably risky surgery on my wife's brain tumor nor help her recover from it, so in this case I find it much less amusing. I am not an expert though I do know barbarism and am well-informed enough to consider, "There are plenty of promising treatments and approaches which may prove viable in a decade or two." tantamount to, "Sorry for partying instead of starting 30 or 40 years ago when it was obvious to, heh heh, all of us we should."
However, if you're worried I am being "too negative" about this you'll be happy to know that, among themselves, the neuroscientists have decided it was no big deal. Kind of like the (lambs-to-the-slaughter stupid) political decision to *not* investigate and prosecute members of the Bush jr. administration for war crimes because they wanted to heal together and move on from the partisan atmosphere (or whatever insanity sauce the Dems were sucking back in 2008 along with "let's stop raising money!"). Setting aside my personal belief that in general crimes should be prosecuted and especially war crimes should be prosecuted; NOW we get to see people considering THAT a reasonable presidency! I ain't saying all the old neuro guys should be dragged out in the street and beaten like the Bush administration, but I definitely won't accept a neuro oncologist beyond a certain age neither.
I actually don't think the science of polling or even hit-job polling or happy-talk polling (Hidden Tribes) has done anything as egregious, so there's that.