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04-20-2018 , 02:08 PM
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SHADY tho


Speaking of third rate books does anybody know how The Art Of The Deal is doing on the Amazon best sellers list?
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04-20-2018 , 02:29 PM
In other news in celebration of the Holiday today Schumer is actually doing something worthwhile and long overdue...

https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/19/polit...ana/index.html
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04-20-2018 , 04:47 PM
A Florida high school's student protest against guns was canceled because a student was shot


http://time.com/5248165/forest-high-...kout-april-20/
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04-20-2018 , 05:59 PM


https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/stat...18228044173313

Oh thank God
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04-22-2018 , 01:16 AM
Can someone knowledge on foreign policy tell me what to make of the recent North Korea stuff about de-nuclearizing
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04-22-2018 , 02:24 AM
It isn't a bad thing but it doesn't mean much without actions to follow through. Relations do seem to be thawing but the guy is still a brutal dictator who just killed his brother last year and countless others since gaining power. I think he's riding a tiger and there's no way he can get off safely meaning if he ever shows weakness or enacts real political reforms at home his mutilated body is going to get dragged through the streets in short order.

I wouldn't put it past the Chinese to quietly offer some small working nukes and tech knowledge in exchange for closing their test site. It's close to the border and ground water on the Chinese side is in danger of contamination. More likely though the Chinese quietly told him close it down or we'll withdraw all aid and trade and look forward to working with his successor soon.

Whatever the reason I am sure the Chinese have by far the biggest effect when it comes to influencing North Korean behavior and no American President can compare.

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04-22-2018 , 08:30 AM
Isnt the simplest explanation that North Korea is just gonna lie to Trump and he's a fat dumb **** so he'll beleieve it, especially since itll make him look good?
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04-22-2018 , 09:52 AM
Yup. Like, the Iran deal with tons of inspections etc is bad but the word of North Korea totally fine. Mission accomplished!
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04-22-2018 , 10:33 AM
You just know deplorables are hate ****ing themselves to the Goatbama / Melania picture
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04-22-2018 , 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Wooders0n
Isnt the simplest explanation that North Korea is just gonna lie to Trump and he's a fat dumb **** so he'll beleieve it, especially since itll make him look good?
Or that they're not giving up anything of value. All that they said they're giving up is testing. If the tests have worked, there isn't nearly the same value in continuing to test.
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04-22-2018 , 02:50 PM
That was basically their exact public statement.
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04-22-2018 , 03:05 PM
At the gym with Fox News and CNN side by side both covering their same headline for the last half hour

CNN: naked man with AR kills 4 in a Waffle House
Fox News: Comey memos released

Man do both these ****ers know their audience
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04-23-2018 , 08:13 AM
trump furious because comey is like 6'8 apparently and probably inspired the tinytrumps reddit
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04-24-2018 , 02:50 AM
When George HW Bush kicks the bucket, how much time is going to be spent pointing out how horrible and corrupt his pardons of various Iran-Contra figures were?

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Not enough.
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04-24-2018 , 03:40 AM
To be fair, no time because basically every Pres to leave office has a shady list of pardons. Clinton's is horrific. Also the Iran-Contra whitewash took place right out in the open. I think Ollie North is still a Fox correspondent.
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04-24-2018 , 06:51 AM
Obama’s failure to prosecute Iraq war criminals is just as bad as certain Republican pardons

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04-24-2018 , 07:49 AM
Scorching
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04-24-2018 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
Obama’s failure to prosecute Iraq war criminals is just as bad as certain Republican pardons
yeah, "look forward not backward" and not prosecuting literal torturers in the war on terror is worse than the bush iran contra pardons
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04-24-2018 , 08:23 AM
There's a very real argument that Iran-Contra established the precedent (that Obama and Bush followed) which is that you're just allowed to commit crimes as part of the executive branch and it's somehow political to prosecute those crimes.

We even saw the "liberal" media endorse this view. How many of them reported on "Lock her up!" with gasping shock at how in America WE DON'T imprison our political foes(without addressing whether she broke the law), instead of, you know, if she did crimes absolutely lock her up but she didn't do crimes.

And there's a direct line between those pardons and today where it is absolutely standard CW on the right(and in our idiot media class) that Trump's non-election related crimes are off-limits for the FBI to be looking into. ****ing Byron York wrote like 3 columns about how the Comey memos proved that COMEY was trying to BLACKMAIL Trump.
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04-24-2018 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
yeah, "look forward not backward" and not prosecuting literal torturers in the war on terror is worse than the bush iran contra pardons
I think the legacy of Iran-Contra being so easily forgotten, which can in part be credited to the pardons, is a strong argument that the I-C pardons were worse.

Like, can you name a person who was pardoned, SK? Or their job title? Who were the Contras and what did they do?
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04-24-2018 , 08:32 AM
weinberger and I think he was secretary of defense? The contras were fighting against commies in Nicaragua. Couldn't name another guy who was pardoned though, it's true.
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04-24-2018 , 09:10 AM
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We even saw the "liberal" media endorse this view. How many of them reported on "Lock her up!" with gasping shock at how in America WE DON'T imprison our political foes(without addressing whether she broke the law), instead of, you know, if she did crimes absolutely lock her up but she didn't do crimes.
Isn't this just because we already went through a million hearings and investigations, all with the result that she didn't do crimes?

It's not like she committed some major crimes, but the "liberal" media said DON'T imprison her as a political foe even though she's a criminal.

It's that "Lock her up!" is such pure garbage bull****.
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04-24-2018 , 09:23 AM
Good points being made, but the fact of the Iran Contra matter is that the only reason there was ever even a single conviction in that scandal was not because actual crimes were committed (there were) but because the opposition party controlled the investigating committees so they actually investigated. Had the GOP been in control of Congress the whole matter would have been whitewashed.

I mean:

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The Minority Report blamed conflict between executive and legislature over foreign policy: "Congressional Democrats tried to use vaguely worded and constantly changing laws to impose policies in Central America that went well beyond the law itself. For its own part, the Administration decided to work within the letter of the law covertly, instead of forcing a public and principled confrontation that would have been healthier in the long run."[2] Rep. Henry Hyde, one of the signatories to the Minority Report, wrote that "All of us at some time confront conflicts between rights and duties, between choices that are evil and less evil, and one hardly exhausts moral imagination by labeling every untruth and every deception an outrage."[4]
Also lol this

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During the hearings Rep. Henry Hyde defended Oliver North and John Poindexter lying to Congress.[4]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congre...3Contra_affair
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04-24-2018 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Good points being made, but the fact of the Iran Contra matter is that the only reason there was ever even a single conviction in that scandal was not because actual crimes were committed (there were) but because the opposition party controlled the investigating committees so they actually investigated. Had the GOP been in control of Congress the whole matter would have been whitewashed.
Yes, this is a huge, huge problem in American politics. The partisanship taking precedence over all else is destroying democracy, with the GOP/Trump highlighting that currently. Not sure what the best way to fix that is.
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04-24-2018 , 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by patron
Isn't this just because we already went through a million hearings and investigations, all with the result that she didn't do crimes?

It's not like she committed some major crimes, but the "liberal" media said DON'T imprison her as a political foe even though she's a criminal.

It's that "Lock her up!" is such pure garbage bull****.
lol this of course

We don’t imprison our political foes implies FOR POLITICAL REASONS which is what every country that imprisons dissidents does.
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