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yeah, how the hell has this not happened years ago? Jones has been accusing these people of lying about the deaths of their children for years. Seems an open and shut slander case.

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04-17-2018 , 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LostOstrich

yeah, how the hell has this not happened years ago? Jones has been accusing these people of lying about the deaths of their children for years. Seems an open and shut slander case.

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If the person defamed was a private person, in most states, the person making the defamatory statement can only be held liable for defamation if he/she:

knew that the statement was false and defamatory, or
acted with reckless disregard of the truth or falsity of the statement in making the statement, or
acted negligently in failing to ascertain whether the statement was true or false before making it.

Yep. Yep. And Yep. Get ****ed, Alex.

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04-17-2018 , 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Slighted

Felony murder laws super standard. and super awful.

one of those bs "its a detternet" argument laws, because people think about well what if the cop hits someone in a car chase while blindly rage induced chasing me down after i knock over the seven eleven with my hand in my pocket pretending to be a gun..

or what if a cop shoots a security guard mistakenly at a bank robbery, and i get charged with murder because reasons.

Perhaps you shouldn't rob a bank then.

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04-17-2018 , 06:07 PM

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Politards leaving out a key fact again:

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USA Today reports that Smith did not take a plea offer of 25 years, and after losing at trial, he received the heavy penalty.

https://www.theroot.com/alabama-teen...d-b-1825071334

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04-17-2018 , 06:13 PM

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Yeah that's definitely a "key fact" that should change someone's opinion of the case rather than further highlighting the idiocy of our criminal justice system

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04-17-2018 , 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Benjam!n

Perhaps you shouldn't rob a bank then.

perhaps you should be held accountable for your actual crimes rather than the misdeeds of others.

perhaps ESPECIALLY in the cases where you are a child in the company of adults.

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04-17-2018 , 07:42 PM

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He didn’t rob a bank. They broke into two houses. At 15. That’s a mistake that should cost one 65 years? I’ve got a friend who broke into maybe 10 cars at 16 to steal fuzzbusters. Should he be in jail still?

Also, it seems the police allege his friend brandished a gun, not even a shootout as another article cited. Thank goodness the police never ever ever lie about this stuff.

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04-17-2018 , 08:02 PM

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Sure but what about how it's his fault because he didn't just graciously accept 25 years in prison like he should have?

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04-17-2018 , 08:13 PM

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*Florida passes a law that makes jaywalking punishable by 50 years in prison, followed by 10 years of torture, followed by the death penalty. Multiple 5 year olds are convicted and sentenced*

"Well, maybe you shouldn't have jaywalked then"

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04-17-2018 , 08:22 PM

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Sure but what about how it's his fault because he didn't just graciously accept 25 years in prison like he should have?

Lol 25 years also insane. As is being tried as an adult. And the DA tapdancing with glee is repugnant. That the system is “accept a plea or we triple the penalty” is partly why the system is so broke. So many innocent people won’t take the risk of defending themselves because the most extreme sentence possible is the result of losing the gamble. It’s all barbaric.

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04-17-2018 , 08:33 PM

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I've got participating in an armed group home burglary as worse than robbing a bank. Comparing it to breaking into a car because you notice a purse, iphone, or fuzzbuster is almost as lol as the 65 year sentence this kid got.

What I also find upsetting and is apparently not unusual is he sat around in custody for 3-4 years before finally getting convicted at age 19.

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04-17-2018 , 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

Lol 25 years for murder + armed burglary with the possibility of parole is more than reasonable regardless of his age.

Last edited by Benjam!n; 04-17-2018 at 09:48 PM.

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04-17-2018 , 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Slighted

perhaps you should be held accountable for your actual crimes rather than the misdeeds of others.

perhaps ESPECIALLY in the cases where you are a child in the company of adults.

He was part of an armed robbery during which someone died. These are his actual crimes.

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04-17-2018 , 10:05 PM

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Hello, on behalf of people everywhere I hope you get ****ed. Thanks for dropping by.

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04-17-2018 , 10:36 PM

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What he did was two armed (I don’t even know if he personally was armed) home robberies when 15. Like, tbh I think jail til 21 is a lot lol into his 40’s let alone 80’s. You’re guaranteeing recidivism at that point. Not to mention that 25 years is about a $million. What a terrible waste of public funds.

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04-17-2018 , 10:44 PM

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Like basically everything, nordic countries have figured this out. It is pure insanity that we have examples of healthier, happier, safer countries and continue this madness.

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04-17-2018 , 10:45 PM

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According to an article I read, he personally was not armed, but he did supply the gun carried by one of the others.

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04-17-2018 , 10:48 PM

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Another reason guns should be banned.

Property crimes committed w/o guns have much more reasonable sentencing ranges (and a much lower chance of something truly awful occurring).

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04-17-2018 , 10:51 PM

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He was part of an armed robbery during which someone died. These are his actual crimes.

maybe my "actual crime" belief is slightly different than yours but his "actual crime" is burglary and 2 counts of theft because he was stealing from an occupied dwelling. there was no charge of armed robbery in relation to mr. smith. to my knowledge no where did it say he had a weapon or had knowledge of a weapon.

hell, the supreme court TODAY even decided that statutes listing burglary as a "violent crime" are likely unconstitutionally vague when it comes to the government using them to deprive of life liberty or property. and thats even coming from right winger's stolen supreme court justice Gorsuch.

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04-17-2018 , 11:10 PM

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Another reason guns should be banned.

Property crimes committed w/o guns have much more reasonable sentencing ranges (and a much lower chance of something truly awful occurring).

so speaking of exaggerating sentence ranges. i prosecuted one of those "clown" cases that were going around, the guy dresses up as a clown and chases people with knives/weapons. he was charged with something a bunch of counts of assault with a dangerous weapon and a bunch of counts of "masked" assault because of the mask which upped the range by another few years, and obviously could have been exponentially if some judge decided to run them CS.

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04-17-2018 , 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty

What he did was two armed (I don’t even know if he personally was armed) home robberies when 15. Like, tbh I think jail til 21 is a lot lol into his 40’s let alone 80’s. You’re guaranteeing recidivism at that point. Not to mention that 25 years is about a $million. What a terrible waste of public funds.

Benkkkamin is on board with having him summarily executed, if that is what you are getting at.

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04-18-2018 , 12:21 AM

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Like basically everything, nordic countries have figured this out.

No. The Chinese have figured it out. I'd be fine with adopting their criminal code. Don't see much recidivism in China

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04-18-2018 , 01:19 AM

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That is some weak ass trolling right there. Makes me pine for Keeed derails.

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04-18-2018 , 03:16 AM

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Nah...think more Tom Brady because Stormygate ldo.

Many people are saying it's Tom Brady, but you people always attack Tom because of all the winning they're doing over there. Bob Kraft making billions and billions of dollars, and the incredible men and women of that organization, winning like the world has never seen. But we'll certainly see what happens.