Whatever pharma drug you ban will just be made by a bunch of black market Chinese factories with obv lower quality.


Making things as hard as possible to manufacture and obtain was literally the idea behind the objectively failed water on drugs

Then why are there no black market quaaludes?

Pretty sure Perdue fought tooth and nail against gel pills because addicts couldn't crush and snort them

They are a 10/10 despicable company directly responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths

Was not woke about perdue. Excited to read about it amd get pissed.

Start here:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...empire-of-pain

I don't know. I can only assume that there is a readily available alternative. And maybe the its manufacture is unusually hard or an ingredient is unusually centrally controlled.

Apparently there's a big quaalude market in south Africa.

Just for the record, Perdue sells chicken and it's driving me nuts. Purdue is a pharma company

fwiw, I simply believe that making it nearly impossible to obtain opioids is the best solution. I don't claim to have the know how on implementation and never suggested that simply making them illegal or stopping manufacturing them or prescribing them would make them hard enough to obtain for this to be an effective strategy.

Im sure Perdue chicken is even scummier

Holy ****!

WTF!

Maybe drug abusers should stop abusing drugs. Works for most of us here. Fund treatment centers and what not but it's still on them to be responsible and either take control or get the help they need.

And here I thought the day wouldn't produce a take worse than Matt Yglesias worrying about the judge who was was mean to the guy who sexually abused children for 20 years.

As a recovering alcoholic (2 years coming up here soon) and someone who still battles some other addictions at times with varying success I can assure you you understand almost nothing about drug abuse. This post is a terrible look. I’m not offended or mad or anything like that - but please at least look into at least trying to understand it a bit before making blanket statement this bad. It is highly likely (close to a certainty) someone very close to you is an addict of some kind and almost as likely that you and most people close to that person have no idea the person is an addict/the extent of the addiction or abuse. Walking around with the weight of that (no one close to them being anything but oblivious as to the depths/degree of the addiction) on their shoulders at all times and knowing people close to them have feelings similar to yours is one of the big reasons a lot of active addicts stay active and do not find success in recovery.

This has been the take of many males (almost all of them undoubtedly Trumpers). Sad! If this isn’t a perfect microcosm of the entire problem I’m not sure what is.

That's what conservatism is. The government is a huge waste of money! Oh except this thing that was useful to me the other day, that's good government. Gay people are against God's will, whoops it turns out my daughter is gay, I guess they're all right after all. People with addictions are just weak-willed and need personal responsibility, unless I'm close to someone with an addiction in which case it's a serious problem. But every other problem people have which I have no personal experience with just requires bootstraps and personal responsibility again.

https://twitter.com/briebriejoy/stat...73529414090758

Congrats dude, I don't have first hand experience but I'm sure that is not easy.

. Getting sober from alcohol wasn’t too terribly hard - it’s the staying part that was/is hardest for me. I got sober for three months many times before this and then would go on a massive bender. I’m sure this varies by the addict.

I was never in denial of my alcoholism I simply didn’t care I was a piece of **** when drunk. Relapsed more than once. Only once I fully understood and accepted that I could literally not have even a drop of alcohol safely at any time or any place for the rest of my life did I get (and hopefully will stay) sober from alcohol finally. My sobriety is never final and this is a thing I will have to realize and accept every single day if I don’t want to die considerably earlier than I should or end up serving real prison time - neither of which appeal to me much.

I dunno, the take seems ok to me. he wants to fund treatment centers so thats fine. most conservatives trumprs would say "why should any of my tax money or insurance company money go to treating addicts. its their fault. and they are dangerous to society so they should die as quickly as possible."

Think people hating on the judge are correct. She probably shouldn't even be allowed to be a judge after the GOD IS GRACIOUS comment.

"I just signed your death warrant" was a cringe worthy statement especially since he'd already gotten 60 years from the Feds.

Congratulations on your recovery. You misconstrue my point. You may not have been alone and it may have been very hard but ultimately you took action to enact change in your life, no?

Politicians always want to blame something for people's problems. In the 90s, it was violence in video games. Then it was obesity. Now it's the "opioid crisis." I'm not convinced that new laws are needed with the avenues currently available.

Many ppl did indeed get addicted from following doctors orders and recomendations.

I don't want to put words in Timmay's mouth here, and he can post if he disagrees, but I feel like you're missing his point. I'm drawing from my own brushes with alcohol addiction here, but one of the things you learn as an addict is how fragile this idea of willpower is. Timmay mentioned that he'd quit several times before, for three months at a time. What is it you imagine happened at the end of those three month periods? Like one day, he was a strong-willed person who'd dealt with this thing for 90 days and then boom, the next day, he's weak and needs to "take action to enact change"?

The truth about whether people can stay sober in the long term, and what needs to be done to accomplish that, is a lot more complicated than "will power!" and can't be done with will power alone. It needs education, preparation. Pretty confident Timmay would agree there.

the fact that some people can't do recreational drug use without it destroying their lives is pretty ****ing annoying , which then deprives people who can handle it of another option for pleasure