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01-10-2018 , 01:10 PM
I'm convinced that the best preparation for being President is to be a successful CEO of a conglomerate with its hands in all kinds of different businesses. The President (and even members of Congress) deal with so many different policy issues that they cannot possibly be well-informed on all of them.

Thus, you need to be able to put people in place who are experts in these things and rely on them to build a team of competent individuals that will convey to you the facts and risks of different decisions in a manner that allows you to sign off on big picture ideas without understanding all the nuance. Being humble enough to take advice from people you outrank is also important.
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01-10-2018 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
Depends whose rights it effects obviously.

In reality they just need to maintain the books a bit. Could push it back to missing a couple more elections.
shocking that once again you are completely wrong about democratic and human rights.
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01-10-2018 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I'm convinced that the best preparation for being President is to be a successful CEO of a conglomerate with its hands in all kinds of different businesses. The President (and even members of Congress) deal with so many different policy issues that they cannot possibly be well-informed on all of them.

Thus, you need to be able to put people in place who are experts in these things and rely on them to build a team of competent individuals that will convey to you the facts and risks of different decisions in a manner that allows you to sign off on big picture ideas without understanding all the nuance. Being humble enough to take advice from people you outrank is also important.
Cool theory, but CEOs of large corporations are at best completely amoral, and have been poisoned by a lifetime of your kind of thinking that whatever is best for the company's profits (with your allowance for factoring in backlash) is not only the right to do but practically mandatory.

Also see Rex Tillerson decimating the State Department.
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01-10-2018 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by pwnsall
I think I'm 100% on the Oprah 2020 train. Is there still room on the wagon?
Yes. Wagon hasnt even left the station yet. Let us whisper of a dream.
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01-10-2018 , 01:18 PM
Jack Welch for president. We'll use some creative accounting to get rid of the national debt, who's with me?
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01-10-2018 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
shocking that once again you are completely wrong about democratic and human rights.
Yeah maybe. I listened to a scotus podcast on it dunno how informed I am supposed to be on every random matter.

So what's the skinny on the law and case?
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01-10-2018 , 01:20 PM
Best prep is obviously someone who has been a governor and a bonus of he/she has had some level of federal foreign policy/intelligence exposure be it in congress or as a federal appointee.
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01-10-2018 , 01:23 PM
Trump and Oprah being friends kinda makes me think there is a chance Oprah orchestrated Trump 2016 as a way of becoming a viable candidate herself.

Chaos is a laddah.
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01-10-2018 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwn_Master
Cool theory, but CEOs of large corporations are at best completely amoral, and have been poisoned by a lifetime of your kind of thinking that whatever is best for the company's profits (with your allowance for factoring in backlash) is not only the right to do but practically mandatory.

Also see Rex Tillerson decimating the State Department.
Oprah is immoral? What about Buffett? Gates?
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01-10-2018 , 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
Oprah is immoral? What about Buffett? Gates?
Amoral, not immoral. Difference is lacking good morals versus being actively bad. Definitely yes to Gates and Buffett despite seeking redemption through charity.

AFAIK, Oprah just ran a production company that printed money selling her personality but yes, possible she is amoral as well.
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01-10-2018 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Namath12
Interesting case to watch imo, though I'm surprised it's even gotten to this. I can't think of any other constitutional rights that are "use it or lose it" and have a hard time seeing why voting should be treated differently than guns or speech.

What reasonable argument can even support purging the rolls the way that Ohio does?

Assuming that "everyone who doesn't vote in a midterm election has moved" is laughable.
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01-10-2018 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dudd
Corey Booker sides with billionaires, so we gotta elec an actual billionaire instead. Also I’m super amused by the people who spent the last two years telling us that Hillary was WOAT and literally anyone else would have crushed Trump suddenly acting like Oprah is the only person who is a sure thing to beat Trump and everyone else is a coin flip, despite the fact that he’s currently historically unpopular. Make up your minds please
Hillary had a 10+ point lead weeks before the election. Emails, Donna Brazile, #PizzaGate, Wikileaks and whatever else played a pretty huge role in Hillary losing. Trump and Fox News will lie and make a bunch of noise about made-up scandals some democrat politician candidate was involved in and people will believe it.

Oprah would be impervious to that type of thing because she was never involved in politics and is also beloved by every mom in america for totally irrational reasons. Oprah would decimate Trump in any reasonably fair election, whereas xyz democrat would be a small favorite come election day for the reasons stated and we're replaying 2016.

No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public
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01-10-2018 , 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
Best prep is obviously someone who has been a governor and a bonus of he/she has had some level of federal foreign policy/intelligence exposure be it in congress or as a federal appointee.
Yeah it's not even close. Senator in second and everything else is kind of a problem waiting to happen.
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01-10-2018 , 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by patron
What reasonable argument can even support purging the rolls the way that Ohio does?

Assuming that "everyone who doesn't vote in a midterm election has moved" is laughable.
something something voter fraud
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01-10-2018 , 03:04 PM
no not really voter fraud.

the argument that is cited much more vociferously is that if you dont vote often then you dont value voting and therefore you dont deserve to vote.

#conservativeLogic
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01-10-2018 , 04:28 PM
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01-10-2018 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
no not really voter fraud.

the argument that is cited much more vociferously is that if you dont vote often then you dont value voting and therefore you dont deserve to vote.

#conservativeLogic
Yeah the secretary of state for Alabama has said, "If you're going to want to vote here, you're going to have to show a little ambition." Like, not even hiding.
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01-10-2018 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by goofball
I think deciding house seats by aggregate popular vote would be great. e.g. you vote for wnating to be represented by a D or R, then seats are allocated by vote proportion in each state and ordered by vote share.

e.g. imagine a state with 5 districts, that goes 60% for D. with the following vote shares:

D1: 80% D
2: 70% D
3: 60% D
4: 50% D
5: 40% D

so Ds get 3 seats and Rs get 2 aligning with the popular vote proportions, and those D are in districts 1-3 as the highest D voting districts.
Why not just get rid of districts and go with party-list proportional representation?

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What would it take for the U.S. to not have a religious test for office such that people could run for president and expect zero discussion of what religion they are, or if they are religious?
It would require repealing the First Amendment.

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Originally Posted by CalledDownLight
I'm convinced that the best preparation for being President is to be a successful CEO of a conglomerate with its hands in all kinds of different businesses. The President (and even members of Congress) deal with so many different policy issues that they cannot possibly be well-informed on all of them.
One reason that I advocate expanding the size of Congress is so that members can have more specialization in areas of interest. Given that the presidents who have come from the business world are Herbert Hoover and Donald Trump, I am not convinced that CEOs are who we want to tap for president.

One of my ideas is to re-organize the executive branch to get rid of the potential for a unitary executive by breaking up the executive into multiple elected positions. Since many states have separate elected offices for treasurer and attorney general, I think that Secretary of the Treasury and AG could be elected offices. Maybe Homeland Security. I don't think Defense or State should be separate, given the president's role as commander-in-chief and in foreign policy.
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01-10-2018 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Perhaps Shimmy
Really wish the devil had won that fiddle fight
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01-10-2018 , 07:04 PM
When Trump started his run he had about 2 million Twitter followers.

Oprah has 41 million.
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01-10-2018 , 07:16 PM
Perry 2020
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01-10-2018 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ClarkNasty
When Trump started his run he had about 2 million Twitter followers.

Oprah has 41 million.


Some nerds did an analysis last year and determined that over half his followers are bots
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01-10-2018 , 07:39 PM
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Andy Slavitt‏ @ASlavitt

BREAKING NEWS ON CHIP: CBO now says if Congress extends CHIP for 10 years instead of 5, it will not cost the government ANYTHING.

It will save $6 billion AND keep 9 million low income kids covered.

Congress decides within 9 days.

This is not widely known but needs to be.
so basically if you want to know anything about where the GOP is in 2018, check this space
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01-10-2018 , 09:09 PM
Oprah is a huge peddler of junk science per vox
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01-10-2018 , 09:25 PM
Everything you need to know about modern Republican party is embodied in the CHIP fiasco.

You can be the most anarchotarian conservative whatever, but how can you not think of the kids. Poor kids that have no choice and no opportunity.
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