Dude, don't fall for such weak ass trolling.

Your right...i got triggered lol.

Wanted to post this link as i thought this was interesting enough considering the.make up of the current Supreme Court.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/05/politi...hop/index.html

On the one hand does the owner have a right to use his bible as a shield to claim he's not a bigot while claiming that baking wedding cakes are unique works of art that should not be forced against his will based.on his religous beliefs..or does the gay couple have the right to claim bigotry because Religon isnt fact its faith based and since creating wedding cakes are for consumption they should be viewed as a product/service to which any denial of said service because of their sexual orientation should be treated as a discriminatory act....

The ACLU has been putting out some good pieces on this. I'll see if I can find one, but bottom line, I don't think the cake shop has a case here. They aren't merely refusing to craft a particular cake with a particular message. They are refusing to sell any cake of any kind, even routine, generic designs, to any gay couple. There was a related case where a baker didn't want to write a particular message, but she still baked a stock cake and gave the buyer a piping bag of frosting to write it himself, which seems to be a fair outcome if a baker has an objection to a particular message rather than wanting to refuse service of any sort to a whole class of people.

Agree with being able to purchase a generic cake but not entitled to a custom cake.

A reporter just got suspended for making up lies about Trump/Russia

im uncomfortable telling people who own a non-vital small business that they need to accept anyone as a customer for anything.

OK bro.

the cake store is gonna win. theres no doubt about that.

but it was certainly pleasant to learn that they have lost over 40% of their business according to npr.

That's exactly how it should be. Refuse service to anyone you want but pay the price from the free market.

This seems like the ideal outcome. Uphold the right to refuse service (in a 100% discretionary consumer business) and let the market punish them for being bigots. The danger is that people will be harmed when they're denied services that aren't 100% discretionary.

Businesses don't have to appeal to everyone to stay in business. Being bigoted can be a key differentiator for you and drive the business of likeminded bigots your way, c.f.:

Chick Fil A and the cake case are apples and oranges.

i didnt say its categorically wrong.

there are material realities (that we have historically observed, such as your example) in which bias / discrimination is so widespread that it effectively rises to the level of a complete bar. particularly for services that are vital (housing, hotels, transportation, utilities, etc), that is unacceptable.

i dont think the material realities of this case rise to that level (non-vital services, i'm sure there's another way to get a cake).

on a more general note, you may perhaps be spending too much of your time conversing with people who are plainly in bad faith, and it may be healthy to spend some time in good faith conversations.

and cake and chicken

It amazes me that people sue over stuff like this. Not that the suit is meritless, just that people would follow through on it all the way to the Supreme Court.

Why should we not fight for the rights of people to not be discriminated against just for who they are?

We should. But how many times have you wanted to sue someone and REALLY meant it and then got home and poured yourself a Scotch and said **** it? These people really took it all the way. I can't imagine the time and expense and heartache that went into it. Pretty incredible really.

Pretty sure half of all Supreme Court cases are started by Jehovah's Witnesses. Or their god will punish them.

Supreme Court should remand the case to Judge Judy to handle in a 3 part special.

I'd like to suggest an ad idea for the senate race:

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Jeff Flake, Susan Collins, Bob Corker, John McCain are DESPICABLE HUMAN BEINGS AIDING AND ABETTING ALL OF THIS ****. **** them!

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