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11-29-2017 , 01:47 PM

#40726

Wooders0n

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

I studied linguistics in school

You may be cunning linguist but I'm a master debator. Also you're a ******.

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11-29-2017 , 01:49 PM

#40727

Namath12

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

I studied linguistics in school

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11-29-2017 , 01:51 PM

#40728

Wooders0n

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

People just need to stop quoting me or talking about that seems fair

Life isnt fair. You dont have a constitutional right to defend yourself itt. Take it up with your congressman.

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11-29-2017 , 01:53 PM

#40729

CPHoya

Warden of Taipan Island

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 73,265

The rules require you to be an SE reg to post in here. That rule has been interpreted loosely to some degree, but not to the degree that this is an adjunct POG Politics thread. I told you to leave. You posted three more times, once acknowledging my post. You are now banned. This will probably upset you. You did it to yourself.

Also, as a note, when you post publicly on the forums, your public posts on the forums are subject to public discussion on the public forums. Feel free to further discuss this in the POG Politics thread, where I will happily engage you, but not here.

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11-29-2017 , 01:55 PM

#40730

aoFrantic

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Originally Posted by CPHoya

Welcome to the Official SE Politics Thread. The aim here is for high quality political discussion and debate. The concomitant aim here is for that high quality discussion and debate to NOT devolve into MAD posting, BAD posting, trolling, name-calling our community fracture.

We embark on this project hoping to encourage fair and thorough exchanges of views, and also fair and thorough advocacy for positions. We should learn a lot.

Rules

1. Posters are required to have 50 posts in SE over the last 365 days. This thread is not a proxy for the Politics forum, or an arena for goal-based issue advocacy from people we don't even know.

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11-29-2017 , 02:00 PM

#40731

-Insert Witty SN-

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Originally Posted by Noze

Nope, hit the bricks. You were quoted to laugh at, not to engage with.

This made me cackle loudly. Also, good work bloobird. Some people.

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11-29-2017 , 02:00 PM

#40732

TrollyWantACracker

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I got a Google alert that we talking spectrograms itt. Still doing preliminary research but grab em by the pussy sounds a little suspicious to me.

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11-29-2017 , 02:02 PM

#40733

goofyballer

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LOL POG, LOL Luckbox, not even once

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11-29-2017 , 02:21 PM

#40734

ANONN123

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Lol'd several times, A+ all around

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11-29-2017 , 02:23 PM

#40735

Holliday

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Good God, why is it always something so ****ing stupid? What is with the random completely psychotic worldviews that leads to these conspiracy theories?

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11-29-2017 , 02:47 PM

#40736

goofyballer

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Was he always this dumb? Or do we now have proof that VMF's stupidity is actually an infectious disease?

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11-29-2017 , 03:00 PM

#40737

Perhaps Shimmy

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

If I am quoted I should be allowed to defend myself or elaborate, etc

No?

Don't worry I don't care about your thread here

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

People just need to stop quoting me or talking about that seems fair

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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc

I studied linguistics in school

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11-29-2017 , 03:09 PM

#40738

CalledDownLight

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

Was he always this dumb? Or do we now have proof that VMF's stupidity is actually an infectious disease?

he was always this dumb. He was defending Russia and talking about how the MSM was a left-wing tool that was not worthy of discussion when he created the POG Politics thread to defend Russia in 2008 (pre-Obama election).

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Originally Posted by DustinG

Can we talk politics again?

Specifically, can we talk about whats going on with Russia and this whole Russia-Georgia thing? I think a discussion here could be very illuminating.

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Originally Posted by DustinG

1) The story that is being presented in the MSM regarding the Russia-Georgia conflict is entirely incorrect.

Whats being told is that Russia attacked a peaceful democratic Georgia for basically no reason.

The truth is that Georgia attacked the Russian peacekeepers in South Ossetia and murdered civilians there.

South Ossetia is something like %70 Russian. There had been both Russian and Georgian peacekeepers there and the Georgians turned their guns on Russians. This is pretty much never mentioned in the MSM- who have done everything they can to vilify Russia over this situation.

Both Presidential candidates (and now Sarah Palin as well) have expressed their outrage over Russian actions. Here is a quote from Palin's ABC interview

One would expect the Obama campaign to be nailing Palin for this. Especially when we learn that one of McCain's top aides, Randy Scheunemann, is a former lobbyist for Georgia.

But I can guarantee that you won't here any sort of criticism from the Obama camp re McCain/Palin's Georgian stance.

This is because Obama's top foreign affairs advisor is Zbigniew Brzezinski who is incredibly hawkish towards Russia.

So why is the entire American political establishment and MSM lying and distorting the facts about Russia?

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Originally Posted by DustinG

owwwww

I'm going to go get into the hot tub but when I get back I might address this a little because I think this is a very important point.

But basically, I don't think they are trying to demonize Russia- I think they are trying to provoke a war with Russia which basically means they are insane.

But we of course know that they aren't insane (or do we?). So its all very interesting and very scary imo

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Originally Posted by DustinG

I think you have enough of a sense of my positions to know that I don't expect that from Obama

His Iraq stance is obviously a political position. It would be hard to imagine ANY democratic candidate who would come out in favor of the Iraq war.

Imagine all those disillusioned liberals.

Regarding the Why question from earlier:
The simple answer is of course just control of Central Asian oil/gas pipelines and reserves.

Bresinski even wrote a book on it outlining exactly what the U.S. needed to do- http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Chessboa.../dp/0465027261

My more conspiratorial side (lol) though imagines even darker motives. I've heard a lot of talk lately about how the neo-cons were furious with Reagan for ending the cold war diplomatically rather than militarily, which I haven't looked into but if that were true then it would certainly fit in with whats happening now as well.

here is a very good (although now slightly dated) article on the conflict
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...xt=va&aid=9816

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Originally Posted by DustinG

posting from my phone so ill give some better replies later

but im sure you're familiar with the bay of pigs invasion

kennedy did not want to attack cuba but the cia (and the people behind the cia obviously) certainly did

bay of pigs was intended to lead to a much larger conflict with cuba

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Originally Posted by DustinG

and the us setting up a puppet state on russia's doorstep and installing missle shields in poland are friendly gestures towards russia?

and you have to remember that georgia was shelling civilian targets in s. ossetia which is mostly russian

russia had every right to respond the way they did

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Originally Posted by DustinG

kokiri,

re chomsky:
i'd much rather talk about why I don't like amy goodman than why I don't like chomsky, since its a somewhat easier question

but i'll have to tackle that later

but before we do you agree that the msm is entirely controlled? if not there isn't any sense in discussing the left-media

and that's just the first page (50ppp) in 2008

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11-29-2017 , 03:45 PM

#40739

Zimmer4141

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Bitcoin back to $9,200.

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11-29-2017 , 03:56 PM

#40740

hard2tel

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I have spent lots of time in my life looking at spectrograms
I have spent lots of time in my life looking at spectrograms
I have spent lots of time in my life looking at spectrograms
I have spent lots of time in my life looking at spectrograms
I have spent lots of time in my life looking at spectrograms
I have spent lots of time in my life looking at spectrograms

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11-29-2017 , 04:21 PM

#40741

Chips Ahoy

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This book report was posted in politics, it explains a lot about how brains actually work; all kinds of brains in all kinds of circumstances. I recommend it.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2017/09/05...g-uncertainty/

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Predictive processing begins by asking: how does this happen? By what process do our incomprehensible sense-data get turned into a meaningful picture of the world?

The key insight: the brain is a multi-layer prediction machine. All neural processing consists of two streams: a bottom-up stream of sense data, and a top-down stream of predictions. These streams interface at each level of processing, comparing themselves to each other and adjusting themselves as necessary.
...
Second, low-precision sense data might contradict high-precision predictions. The Bayesian math will conclude that the predictions are still probably right, but the sense data are wrong. The lower levels will “cook the books” – rewrite the sense data to make it look as predicted – and then continue to be quiet and signal that all is well. The higher levels continue to stick to their predictions.

There are details. It's very satisfying. It explains autism, tickling, and conspiracy theories.

Last edited by Chips Ahoy; 11-29-2017 at 04:37 PM.

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11-29-2017 , 05:05 PM

#40742

BOIDS

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suggestion for pog politics regs who have ordered thoughts:

might be time to move on

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11-29-2017 , 05:15 PM

#40743

well named

poorly undertitled

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 78,077

I ordered some thoughts but they never arrived.

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11-29-2017 , 06:00 PM

#40744

72off

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Originally Posted by eyebooger

In case you missed it, the president of the United States literally retweeted an ISIS snuff video this morning.

apparently the videos weren't even real?
WH says nbd if it was literally fake news

either way, POTUS just casually tweeting anti-muslim propaganda

what a time to be alive

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11-29-2017 , 06:04 PM

#40745

72off

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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/sta...91420015476737

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Matthew Yglesias‏ @mattyglesias
This morning a convicted war criminal drank poison on live television and it’s a nothing story.

what a time to be alive

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11-29-2017 , 06:08 PM

#40746

72off

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Richard Rubin‏ @RichardRubinDC
Sam Brownback is here in the Senate (outside GOP lunch) saying the Kansas tax plan worked, created jobs.
"What we did actually worked."

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Phil Mattingly‏ @Phil_Mattingly
Several GOP senators coming out of today's lunch talking about the idea of an auto spending cut trigger instead of a tax increase trigger if growth doesn't hit target

what a time to be alive

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11-29-2017 , 06:34 PM

#40747

cannabusto

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What's the ratio of evil:deluded wrt to right wingers on taxes and government spending? The base is entirely deluded imo. The donors are mostly evil. The politicians though? I'm unsure on the ratio there. I know all the cynics will all say "lol they're all evil" but I'm srs.

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11-29-2017 , 06:41 PM

#40748

72off

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i can't imagine that many of them are legit dumb enough to not know what they're doing here

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11-29-2017 , 06:58 PM

#40749

aoFrantic

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Originally Posted by 72off

what a time to be alive

The tax cuts reduced their state revenue by 8% a year and lead to things like school closures to "help" that deficit.

Saying it creates jobs is a bit like...

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11-29-2017 , 07:05 PM

#40750

72off

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic

The tax cuts reduced their state revenue by 8% a year and lead to things like school closures to "help" that deficit.

ya, it's literally their plan here

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Glenn Kessler‏ @GlennKesslerWP
Hmmm, Marco Rubio says that the tax plan is just the first step before "instituting structural changes to Social Security and Medicare" benefits to reduce the federal deficit.

because of that highly unnecessary rich guy tax cut we can no longer afford things like health, education, social security, etc

sorry, thems the breaks

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