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Why would he give him such a cool nickname? Like that's not even insulting. The guy who gave us "crooked hillary" and "lyin' ted" couldn't do any better?

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09-19-2017 , 06:51 PM

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Also, I just discovered Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast. I'm listening to the first episode on WW1 and it is fascinating, but also a bit unsettling. As a non-buff when it comes to history, I never really appreciated
- how recent that war truly was
- how such a minor start could lead to such a big war
- how quickly the world went from 0 to 60

Another takeaway that he harps on at the beginning is how stupid some of the leaders were (he goes particularly hard at Wilhelm) and how that stupidity was incredibly dangerous once **** started hitting the fan. Gee, that's comforting.

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09-19-2017 , 06:54 PM

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He proly just watched that movie "the rock"

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09-19-2017 , 07:09 PM

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Someone in Politics was nice enough to find that clip. NSFW violence:

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Perhaps Trump thinks of himself as the Nicolas Cage of Presidents.

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09-19-2017 , 07:23 PM

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I agree, that 1st one talking about how WWI started was really fascinating.

Hardcore History is fantastic, and you should really listen to all of them,

You'll also really like the one he did called Destroyer of Worlds, a 6-hour podcast all about the history of nuclear weapons.

Really makes me think a nuclear apocalypse within my lifetime is inevitable.

Also, with the personalities involved, it's staggering how truly close we came in 1962

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09-19-2017 , 08:22 PM

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Thanks for the rec, will definitely do that one next

Yea it has definitely made me appreciate the fact that there isn't anything special about any point in time and war could break out anytime from seemingly minor events. Terrifying to think about given the current commander in chief.

His UN speech was bonkers as usual, sigh.

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09-19-2017 , 08:46 PM

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Stanislov Petrov arguably saved more lives than anyone in human history. He received next to no credit in his country and recently died without fanfare.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanislav_Petrov

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09-19-2017 , 08:53 PM

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Wow, I recently noticed a headline about his death and remembered why he was famous, but didn't realize that he died back in May and it wasn't reported until now. RIP

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09-19-2017 , 09:14 PM

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I'm surprised no one made a movie about that dude.

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09-19-2017 , 09:17 PM

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We've had closer calls. One time a Russian General was advising Boris Yeltsin that the US had launched and advised a 2nd strike, with Yeltsin overruling him. Turned out that one was a Norwegian scientific rocket.

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09-19-2017 , 09:26 PM

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It's amazing that people that high up in their military think we'd do that unprovoked. I can't imagine that we ever would because there's really nothing to gain???

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09-19-2017 , 09:38 PM

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They're not necessarily thinking that, they're just down for war.

You can't be surprised that the special teams coach is always green lighting the fake.

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09-19-2017 , 09:47 PM

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A nuke got dropped on NC accidentally with 2 of it's 3 safeties triggered. A switch in the cockpit save the east coast.

Command and Control is a great pants ****ter if you're into that sort of thing.

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09-19-2017 , 10:09 PM

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It's amazing that people that high up in their military think we'd do that unprovoked. I can't imagine that we ever would because there's really nothing to gain???

Part of what makes that Petrov story so amazing is that the protocols for responding to a nuke are essentially set up so that you are not supposed to think whatsoever and just launch because you won't get another chance and because **** them for nuking you.

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09-19-2017 , 10:14 PM

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MADness

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09-19-2017 , 10:21 PM

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I'm troubled by the apparently game theory correct move of launching a single nuke

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09-19-2017 , 10:50 PM

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The Russians in that situation were concerned the rocket would cause an EMP that would disable them for the main attack. Thats why the General was willing to end the world due to one rocket.

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09-19-2017 , 11:16 PM

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It's amazing that people that high up in their military think we'd do that unprovoked. I can't imagine that we ever would because there's really nothing to gain???

They thought we were an evil military industrial complex who would gladly kill them all the first second we thought we could get away with it because we thought communism was an abomination that must be wiped from the earth. Crazy, right?

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09-20-2017 , 06:50 AM

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well, from a game theory perspective, if that was our true perspective, we should have nuked the hell out of em in the years post ww2 before they developed their own nukes.

so, one could think that given we didnt use that opportunity to waste them when there was no real threat of repercussions, it wasnt in our mentality to actually obliterate them.

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09-20-2017 , 07:10 AM

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It's amazing that people that high up in their military think we'd do that unprovoked. I can't imagine that we ever would because there's really nothing to gain???

Yet it's totally normal for America to essentially brainwash a couple of generations of people into thinking that the Soviet Union might easily nuke them unprovoked because ???

The situation with DPRK currently is exactly the same thing afaict. There is no sensible reason for them to nuke America. The best case scenario for everyone is that your higher ups are just pointlessly fearmongering. I get that they are doing the same thing but I think everyone recognizes it's defensive, all bark no bite.

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09-20-2017 , 08:43 AM

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We didn't have the missiles, dude. Obviously a military industrial complex prefers to ramp up for a giant invasion...

Edit: you do recall we'd actually dropped them on two cities in Japan already, right? Then got huffy when anybody complained.

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09-20-2017 , 11:50 AM

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hey man, I think our govt and military are full of idiots, megalomaniacs, and corrupt nihilists. I would not put any type of dangerous and murderous and idiotic act beyond their capabilities. and I mean that for any administration.

really, I am just really surprised that we did not nuke the soviet union when we had the best opportunity. before they could respond.