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i'm not arguing points, i think that may be your problem

i'm just discussing ideas

sorry i didn't realize you were trying to win. you win, you're right

the ideas that you espouse about deporting DACAs are cruel and evil.

hope that helps!

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09-06-2017 , 11:39 AM

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pwnsall

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The state argument could just as easily be an argument for how they may be able to stay despite being explicitly illegal.

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09-06-2017 , 11:46 AM

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Namath12

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totes not racist, just want the LAW enforced!

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09-06-2017 , 12:31 PM

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MrWookie

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

The state argument could just as easily be an argument for how they may be able to stay despite being explicitly illegal.

Uh, thanks to DACA they have legal status.

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09-06-2017 , 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

i'm not arguing points, i think that may be your problem

i'm just discussing ideas

sorry i didn't realize you were trying to win. you win, you're right

You realize the people who continually make you look like a fool itt do basic research before posting? They understand the issue and don't have to resort to assumptions which will be proven wrong or fallacious arguments?
That instead of wasting everybody's time over and over you could Google **** for 5 minutes and look borderline competent rather than just being a third rate troll with a second rate gimmick?

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09-06-2017 , 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Victor

cmon man. its not that hard. the GDP argument is in response to the conservatives who try to argue that these ppl are a drain on our country's weath and resources.

they clearly arent. they arent even eligible for any sort of social benefits. not even student aid.

They definitely get assistance in California, considering the money wasted on the lol high speed train debacle it's whatever to me. I would like stronger border protection but I'm 100% against repealing DACA and breaking up families that are here.

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09-06-2017 , 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by pwnsall

I think the reasoning is something like voting citizens of the electorate don't want them here (at least in some states) and they have no political right to be here, and if we believe in democracy, the nation state, voting rights, and the will of the people then maybe we should follow through.

I agree it's a bit callous.

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It is interesting when it seems "ok" for states or cities to ignore the federal government. On weed and immigration it's fine, on abortion it's not. I'm sure there are other examples.

If only there was some kind of document that could help you untie this pwnsall thought pretzel

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09-06-2017 , 01:48 PM

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patron

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Victor and others dunkin' all over pwnsall so viciously that we're gonna need some more 🏀 up in here, due to all the broken rims and backboards being shattered!

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09-06-2017 , 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by BluffMyNuts

I would like stronger border protection but I'm 100% against repealing DACA and breaking up families that are here.

I suspect that any law passed to effectively replace DACA would strongly mirror this position.

I think immigration will be a less difficult issue to compromise on than ACA given the political and logistical dynamics.

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09-06-2017 , 03:02 PM

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Pwnsall is like if ikes had a 19 year old son that just finished intro to philosphy.

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09-06-2017 , 03:10 PM

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patron

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But didn't understand or bother to read most of it.

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09-06-2017 , 03:13 PM

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BOIDS

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popped my head in pog politards once, where for whatever reason they dont tell pwns how cretinous all his thoughts are

he's a lot more ernest/less trolly in tone but its the same level of derp

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09-06-2017 , 04:10 PM

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Isn't Poglitics the new Nazi-land? I mean, I've never been there, but that's what many people are saying. So many people. On many sides. And some, I assume are good people.

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09-06-2017 , 04:11 PM

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Raise your hand if you want to overthrow capitalism or bankrupt banks

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09-06-2017 , 04:13 PM

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pwnsall

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I'm good with the second and the first to a lesser degree.

Banks are worthless.

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09-06-2017 , 04:19 PM

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09-06-2017 , 05:39 PM

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So how long until Trump starts tweeting out Kokomo lyrics in what he thinks is a perfectly appropriate presidential display of support for those in the path of Irma?

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09-08-2017 , 01:15 AM

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I know you guys already know this, but the "other side" is pretty ****ing far gone on this one. I'm an idiot, so I got into a late night slap fight online with someone about the cause of the civil war. Their response kinda woke me up:

Me:

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As for your claim that " The war truly wasn't fought over slavery." that is just clearly incorrect. I'll just let the state's succession documents speak for themselves:

MISSISSIPPI:
"Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery—the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun."

That's right, they literally say in the very first line that the war is about slavery, but if that's not enough they go on to say that only Blacks can handle the hard work necessary to their economy...

LOUISIANA:
"The people of the slave holding States are bound together by the same necessity and determination to preserve African slavery."

That's pretty clear right?

TEXAS:
"We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity...that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator."

Boy, Texas just gets after it don't they.

OK, OK, OK, maybe that's all just misunderstood, let's let the Vice President of the Confederacy Alexander Stephens explain it to us:

"Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and normal condition."

Welp...

Please stop saying the Civil War was not fought over slavery. It most certainly was.

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uhm yeah, the South wanted to keep their free labor... duh... but that's an economic issue in their eyes, not a human rights one. And the North "so valiantly" fought to "free these poor humans" bc they wanted an even economic playing field.

If the North was soooo greeeaaat and so hellbent on freeing black people, then why didn't they give them a warmer reception after the war was over? Why did they still segregate them? Why would white teachers not teach them and white doctors not treat them?

Oh yeah, bc they were racist.

They had their money, they didn't care anymore.

But the North were the "good guys" and the South the "bad".
Sure.

So, uhh, we're all ****ed here right?

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09-08-2017 , 01:32 AM

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gregorio

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Pretty sure it was capitalism that ended slavery, not the civil war.

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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth

Slavery was once widespread over the whole world, and it was that way through all of recorded history until something happened in the 1800s and it ended (in most places).

What caused the change? Could it had been capitalism and free markets, and the exchange of ideas and free thinking that are part of this process.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Why did England and France end slavery in the early 1800s? and why did Brazil end slavery over 20 years after we did? and why did all the other countries end slavery during this time period as well as Russia ending serfdom? I doubt that the war we fought had much to do with it.

But more important, what was it that made people all around the world realize that slavery was wrong? What changed to make people think different? Could it had been the industrial revolution and the accompanying free markets that came with it?

And what system do you advocate? Are you suggesting the countries of the world return to some other economic system that keeps people living in a state of tyranny and misery and assures that people never improve their lives.

Remember, Lenin was going to fix all of this. He made essentially the same arguments you have, and the result was the Soviet Union managed to kill 50 million, and perhaps more, of their own people. But then again, perhaps if their leaders would have been different, all else would have gone well.

Hitler and Mussolini were going to fix everything too. And Mao also did a great job. Is this what you're advocating? I for one like personal freedom and the ability to make your own choices unhindered by a government that knows better than you do. Obviously you don't, and you're certainly entitled to your opinion. That's what these forums are for.

But don't call me insane. Someone like you who's willing to ignore the history of the world and all the suffering and misery that the typical person has gone through does not get my endorsement. I'm in favor of the system that has actually helped the people, and I mean all the people, who have lived under it. And as the great Milton Friedman once said:

Mason

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09-08-2017 , 03:42 AM

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09-08-2017 , 07:38 AM

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Expert use of the goalpost shift + false equivalency. You got played.

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09-08-2017 , 09:43 AM

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Victor

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mason posts are amazing. yes capitalism is sure to disincentivize free labor. story checks out.

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09-08-2017 , 09:52 AM

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Irony of Sklansky going to bat for the inherent greatness of rich white guys on a site owned by a rich white guy who constantly posts inchoherent right wing poop is amazing

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09-08-2017 , 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SirOsis

So how long until Trump starts tweeting out Kokomo lyrics in what he thinks is a perfectly appropriate presidential display of support for those in the path of Irma?

He just wants them to have a good time.

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