How about actually saying what the things that reduce gun violence and increase freedom are that you support, and what gun control measures you would consider supporting, conditional upon those things.

Obviously best case scenario is that effective legislation is passed and that somehow the number of guns in this country is reduced but that's a pipe dream. I'd rather be on the side with guns than without with the way things are playing out in this country. I had hoped the last time I needed to strap up would be when I was in Iraq but I have a family to keep safe.

pro-gun people,

Would a ban on possessing all guns and ammunition decrease deadly violence in the US? Would it decrease suicides?

If yes to either of these questions then what benefit of allowing gun possession outweighs the value of human life?

No you didn't. It was the equivalent of Trimp saying we should "do some things" or some such. And you are presumably smart enough to know this.

The biggest would be ending the drug war, and cutting off the reason for huge amounts of violence. This would not only cut off the reason for gangs to fight, but it would also allow blighted communities to come back and lower the amount of addicts.

Not sure on exactly what gun control measures I'd support in hypothetical world.

Sure, there are plenty of things, but the heavy regulation (which I acknowledge already exists) of who can purchase firearms is neither the problem nor the solution. Limiting the definition of a legal firearm helps, but I also acknowledge that handguns are the primary source of gun violence.

That said, we lose nothing by isolating legal firearms to basic classes of hunting rifles and handguns and stand to gain by tracking arms with devices which also allow for them to be remotely unusable.

After a certain grace period for the law to kick in, all firearms without the devices will be contraband. Federal buy backs would then likely greatly raise the black market prices, making it more difficult for illegal arms to be acquired.

Even if the majority of gun violence is committed by people who are unable to purchase a gun legally, it would then be more difficult for those who commit violence with the legal arms. It isn't a panacea, but nothing is lost by this.

Legal arms are registered and people who don't register with a tracked arm will have their guns confiscated. It is already illegal to not report a firearm stolen anyway, right? Or is this not true?

Massive gun show loopholes exist.

I'm not going to make every post into a book just so that you can avoid being straightforward with someone you disagree with. Again, if you have a ****ing question or a problem, just ask or confront directly instead of being super passive aggressive. That's good life advice too.

I would call denying a Constitutional right to citizens without due process because they're on your list to be a textbook example of kneejerk.

like?

1) No they don't.
2) And?

Dude I can't get more direct than saying clearly state your position. And for you of all people to think that a post saying "we should do some things" after nitting others to death about a largely irrelevant discussion point is doing such, then I don't know what to say.

More directly. Your act is stale, unpopular and counterproductive to the intent of this thread (and most threads you get in really). Change it or I'll be ensuring you don't post in this thread anymore.

A 16 year old article from Cato? No way that could be wrong/biased.

EXCUSE ME SIR(s) WOULD YOU LIKE TO JOIN ME IN VIOLENT OVERTHROWING OF THE U.S. GOVERNMENT?

Signed,
Not the FBI (we promise)

Clark -

I directly and immediately answered a question after that post. You, otoh, have yet to take an actual full and clear position in this thread on the topic and spent the last page complaining about me not fleshing out a position that you didn't even ask about. Come on bro.

Closing this loophole should obviously be the first order of business.

How much are you going to spend?

Feel free to figure out what is wrong with it.

What things are those?

It appears that guns are still being discussed, which means we have some deranged individuals in our midst who think that guns aren't lol.

Just to clarify, guns are, in fact, quite lol.

Picking up a 45, AR-15 and a shotgun for myself and whatever wifemynuts decides on for her handgun of choice. Guessing with lessons for her, ammo and the 4 guns we're looking at 10k.

You also have to provide financially for them and wasting thousands of dollars of guns you're overwhelming unlikely to use seems like a waste of financial resources.

what a gigantic waste of money

This is true but luckily we're pretty good financially. I know part of my paranoia is due to serving in the military but I really don't want the last thing that goes through my mind, before the assailants bullet, to be "damn I wish I bought those guns".

Have you ever spoken to a mental health professional about everything? I totally understand your fear but I think by working through that you might come to a different conclusion.