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07-23-2017 , 01:18 PM
so does this Scaramucci dude make it to Monday without being fired?
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07-23-2017 , 01:31 PM
lol I just found out that Gingrich's freaky Stepford Wife is Trump's nom as ambassador to the Vatican.

He also hired Ty Cobb as his WH special council, which I discovered a bit back but don't think has been posted itt.

You can put that in the Reality Winner bucket.
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07-23-2017 , 01:47 PM
Cops in the USA shot and killed over 963 people last year (WaPo is doing a great job on this.) That's nearly 3 a day
So comparing it to terrorism, which happens so infrequently is a complete red herring.

The total amount of homicides in Canada and the UK last year was like, 1100 combined.
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07-23-2017 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
The total amount of homicides in Canada and the UK last year was like, 1100 combined.
Not that it changes the conclusion or anything but this should be expressed as a rate per 100k population or whatever.
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07-23-2017 , 02:00 PM
We've chosen to give a segment of the population guns and to use them whenever they feel they are threatened, society is threatened, or the victim is threatened. I'm shocked it's less than 1,000 killings.
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07-23-2017 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Lawnmower Man
Not that it changes the conclusion or anything but this should be expressed as a rate per 100k population or whatever.
It's hard to do that because it's cop killings vs total population homicides though. I'd do rate if it was just pure homicides v homicides.
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07-23-2017 , 07:05 PM
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07-23-2017 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
It's hard to do that because it's cop killings vs total population homicides though. I'd do rate if it was just pure homicides v homicides.
It's not hard. Do you mean it's not as persuasive?
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07-23-2017 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Cops in the USA shot and killed over 963 people last year (WaPo is doing a great job on this.) That's nearly 3 a day
So comparing it to terrorism, which happens so infrequently is a complete red herring.

The total amount of homicides in Canada and the UK last year was like, 1100 combined.

How many of the 963 were pointing a ****ing gun at them? Or don't you subtract those from your 'vicious cops murdering everyone' "stats"? Seriously, tell me what the upside is for cops to shoot people for no reason, fun?
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07-23-2017 , 09:59 PM
seems so

sad!
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07-23-2017 , 11:40 PM
Yeah maybe the meditation teacher who rescued ducklings from the sewer whipped a gun out of her pajamas and that's why the cop blasted her.
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07-24-2017 , 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
Yeah maybe the meditation teacher who rescued ducklings from the sewer whipped a gun out of her pajamas and that's why the cop blasted her.

Oh great, another foreign meditation teacher (lol) who liked to muck around in our sewers. **** that ****! And you make a great point, if she didn't have a gun none of them possibly could have, huhduh
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07-24-2017 , 12:32 AM
That our police system is broadly corrupt, unaccountable and strongly resistant to change and structurally racist shouldn't be up for debate. Discussing whether civil forfeiture or legalized murder is worse is pretty dumb.
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07-24-2017 , 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Losing all
Oh great, another foreign meditation teacher (lol) who liked to muck around in our sewers. **** that ****! And you make a great point, if she didn't have a gun none of them possibly could have, huhduh
Riddle me this LA; your riding shotgun in a police car and you pull up to the chick who called the police who's 40, blonde, Australian, and a meditation instructor (I assure you such a person is ridiculously obvious) and she's talking to your partner. BAM! You draw your gun and shoot her to death. "What? So I'm a good shot--so what?"

What's your theory?
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07-24-2017 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
Riddle me this LA; your riding shotgun in a police car and you pull up to the chick who called the police who's 40, blonde, Australian, and a meditation instructor (I assure you such a person is ridiculously obvious) and she's talking to your partner. BAM! You draw your gun and shoot her to death. "What? So I'm a good shot--so what?"

What's your theory?

My point here, which I thought was painfully obvious

"How many of the 963 were pointing a ****ing gun at them? Or don't you subtract those from your 'vicious cops murdering everyone' "stats"?"


is that you can't count all 963 as police MURDERS! (GASP!) when in many of these cases the cops are being ****ing shot at.


Did I say all 963 were justified? NO, of course not, just that AO's big bad police MURDERS!!! stat was horse ****.


Moving past your huge strawman, no, I don't think ladies out saving ducks or whatever the **** should be shot in the face.
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07-24-2017 , 01:18 AM
So what's your opinion on gun control
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07-24-2017 , 01:26 AM
It's not a strawman, it's just a question not really related to that other...stuff. I get all the other stuff about "killed by police" includes a lot of stuff (but nobody really has good records for *dubious* shootings, and it also doesn't include people who had their spines snapped in the drive to the precinct).

Why do you think the cop killed the hippie lady?
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07-24-2017 , 01:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Losing all
My point here, which I thought was painfully obvious

"How many of the 963 were pointing a ****ing gun at them? Or don't you subtract those from your 'vicious cops murdering everyone' "stats"?"

is that you can't count all 963 as police MURDERS! (GASP!) when in many of these cases the cops are being ****ing shot at.
Your point here has no actual facts attached to it, it's just handwaving and basically a plea that we trust police officers to be doing their job properly, despite the fact that virtually every time video of an event emerges, it turns out police were lying about it.

64 police officers were fatally shot in the line of duty in 2016 (which is significantly higher than average). 2 of those were shot by colleagues and 21 of them were killed in ambushes, before they could react. That leaves 41 police potentially shot while engaged in firefights or at traffic stops etc, versus 963 people shot by police. That's roughly 24 people shot dead by police for every one police officer shot dead by the citizenry. That's not conclusive, but it suggests a trigger-happy police force.

Basically you want us to give police the benefit of the doubt, but there are a lot of reasons not to do that and you're providing nothing to counterbalance that.
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07-24-2017 , 01:33 AM
554 people shot and killed by police this year, 314 had guns. 29 unarmed. 16 had a toy weapon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...hootings-2017/
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07-24-2017 , 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
Why do you think the cop killed the hippie lady?
I don't know why you're asking him this, his lack of insight is only surpassed by his indifference.

Giving a platform to all this hard-line, right-wing, water-carrying is growing tedious imo.
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07-24-2017 , 01:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Holliday
It's not a strawman, it's just a question not really related to that other...stuff. I get all the other stuff about "killed by police" includes a lot of stuff (but nobody really has good records for *dubious* shootings, and it also doesn't include people who had their spines snapped in the drive to the precinct).

Why do you think the cop killed the hippie lady?

I don't know. But say the two most likely reasons are:

1) An idiot that made a huge mistake (and should at the very least be fired and never work in law enforcement again, duh)

2) A satanic enraged lunatic filled with blood lust just itching to kill a black person, but no black person around so this white lady saving ducks in her jammies will have to do, really anything to satiate this BLOOD LUST!!


well, I'll go with 1 I guess
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07-24-2017 , 01:37 AM
In Iceland, when they had their first ever fatal police shooting in 2013, they only shot the guy after an attempt to subdue him with tear gas failed and two police had been injured by shotgun fire. The police chief immediately publicly apologized to the man's family and offered condolences. It is impossible to imagine that happening in the US. The US attitude is that any level of danger to officers justifies shooting first and asking questions later. Justine Damond is dead because of that attitude. It has nothing to do with cops shooting people for fun or whatever strawman you are trying to construct.
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07-24-2017 , 01:37 AM
Don't you think this is happening far too often to attribute it to 'the cop was an idiot'?
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07-24-2017 , 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by ChrisV
That's roughly 24 people shot dead by police for every one police officer shot dead by the citizenry. That's not conclusive, but it suggests a trigger-happy police force.
Based on what exactly? Bringing your feels to the table


I mean cops are mostly fat idiots so you might be right, otoh a special forces dude could kill hundreds of gang bangers and drunk hillbillies before one landed a lucky shot. So maybe you're FOS??
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07-24-2017 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bazooka87
Don't you think this is happening far too often to attribute it to 'the cop was an idiot'?

You guys keep coming back with this same crap, you tell me why? Assuming this cop was a white, a dirty white, that kinda rules out the usual stuff in this case, right?

The 'filthy white devils shooting pretty little kiwi ladies to satiate their BLOOD LUST" isn't even a thing, bro. Well not until the last few days.
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