Losing all,

U pretty dumb bro

The fly reference notwithstanding (no idea what it's talking about) i'm having a hard time seeing what losing all is wrong about here.
Someone posted a screenshot that suggested fox were completely, deliberately obfuscating the fact that jr was told that the Russian gov were involved.

Losing says that while Fox news is a toxic aids fest, in this instance they had shown the full excerpt multiple times in the show.

A bunch of people lambast him for having actually watched the show referenced in the tweet and post a couple of other examples of Fox's ****ty journalism (which losing all has already acknowledged is the woat).

"How dare you accuse FOXnews of softpedaling the story with proof they were at noon when I saw them not softpedaling the story at 6:00 and they are clearly softpedaling the story now, the next day."

--pretty much covers it, imo.

But NARRATIVES bro

Is that GREER? Gotta be GREER

2003 join date says otherwise, and there's no way the Auschwitz connection would have come from Greear. I declare it FAKE NEWS

I think "how dare you" is far too strong for his posts. No idea the timings of the different shows or if some were more biased than others but this just about sums it up for me.

He didn't say there was no obfuscation, only that when he was watching it there wasn't. He even said the screenshot was probably deliberately misleading, he was only pointing out (afaict) that they hadn't been doing it constantly.

followed of course by

I'm on wookie's side on almost all the topics i've seen him post in but 90% of his politics posts seem to be some variation of "LOL", and if someone actually wants to engage him in a discussion they need to chase him round for 5 posts before he spells out what he means. Even when he's obviously right it bogs a thread down and makes reading a discussion extremely tedious. This post is not the best example as it's fairly obvious that he thinks "burn the witch" is too strong but it would take a bunch of unnecessary posts to get him to explain why he thinks this. Just thought i'd add it while I was multi-quoting as it's something I notice every time I read the politics forum.

Yeah you're right about that, my mistake. I think the point stands though that he wasn't saying they weren't being deliberately misleading, just that they weren't doing it all the time. Fwiw, as a Brit who gets most of his usa information from these forums I assumed that they had been ignoring the Russian gov bit constantly before losing all posted.

He didn't just offer up his take on the 6 pm broadcast. He also claimed he didn't watch Fox News (he did) and that he doesn't defend Fox News (he did). He also compared liberal characterizations of the earlier broadcast (the one that first had the infographic with the important text omitted) to "Stalinist propaganda" because of what he had seen on the later broadcast, as if it was somehow impossible that Fox had softplayed the story earlier because of what he saw at 6. The post that sent him into a tizzy was Ratta saying that he wasn't surprised he was a Fox News watcher. Well, unlike witches, Fox News watchers exist, and we found one, and the response to finding one was to point and laugh, which is apparently the same thing as immolation.

And let's just consider how far the goalposts have shifted here. The NYT, WaPo, CNN ****s up once on a minor story and fires the people responsible, they get continually smeared as fake news by the president of the United States and his supporters day after day after day and used as a reason why everything they report on should be disbelieved. Fox has spent the last two decades spinning for the Republican party, but because they let Shep Smith and Chris Wallace and maybe one or two other people who aren't willing to outright to lie on the air for a couple hours a day, it's apparently an outrage to make sweeping statements about the other 20 hours a day they air. Sorry for noticing that Fox and Friends and Tucker Carlson and Hannity and whatever that show at noon was make up the bulk of their programming and aren't one off mistakes

FOX NEWS: Not deliberately misleading all the time

...but I might be missing some punctuation...

FOX NEWS: You may even get lucky and tune in at a specific time when we are REPORTING THE NEWS!!!

I read this post as saying that if fox had intended stalinesque propaganda they executed it extremely poorly. If he did mean that the tweet was propaganda then I retract my argument though he has said that fox is the woat multiple times on this page so I find it hard to believe that his argument is as pro fox as you would like to think. I'm off to bed so i won't be replying anymore itt.

tbh as i was reading it this pretty much sums up his only point. Everyone agrees that Fox is aids

He called it Republican propaganda, not Stalinist. So just because effective Republican propaganda in the year 2017 requires paying lip service to negative stories that are too big to ignore doesn't make it not propaganda, it just means that they have to acknowledge it today before minimizing and distracting tomorrow so that they can point and say see, we have our journalistic credibility. Now about Pizzagate.

Sebastian Gorka making a strong push for most annoying pro-Trump talking head here.

What a creepy dip****

His argument is that they don't lie all the time.

Cool?

Him putting down his precious is a transparent attempt to add legitimacy to his deflection. I see Trump supporters doing it frequently now also.

Of course you read it right. Wookie notsomuch, like going on and on about how I claim not to have ever watched Fox news when this was in my first post on the subject.

"but I watched and listened to the 6pm show with my own eyes and ears."


Seriously, I don't even know wtf he's talking about.

We all make good middle class livings and have employer provided health care. Since the ACA was passed our healthcare has gone up about 60% and covers less so whatever Trump wants to do with health care I'm fine with it. We had insurance before Obamacare and I'm sure we'll have it if it is repealed. How is Trump going to take away our health care? That is between employee and employer.

We meaning upper middle class white people here I assume

The CBO said 4 million people with employer sponsored healthcare would lose their insurance.
Premiums have gone down overall, but nice personal anecdote?
Lots of plans covered much less before. Remember when preexisting conditions were a big thing? Don't you remember why?

Employer based healthcare is such a stupid system in 2017 anyway.

lol @ "we"

Man on poker forum that at one time was populated with a large number of independent professional poker players asserts everyone here obviously has employer insurance.