The ghost of ikestoys lives on through posting like this. The tics, the "not actually having a point" part, it's all here!

I dunno Holliday I guess I feel like it's easier for smart people to change and empathize with the stupids than it is for the stupids to become smart or to follow someone just because they are told they are stupid.


There would not be a Flint water crisis right now if Bernie were president, this term or last term. But yeah okay it's the Republicans fault I'm sure the poors feel better now

Amazing performance by Thayer in this thread, making all the libtard elitists hate him to become king of the smug, insufferable douchetard know-it alls. Seems you learned a thing or two from Al Gore after all.

Sounds legit, the smarts should just comport their behavior with what the dumbs want so the dumbs can "become smart" by automatically aligning with the smarts who are being dumb on purpose. Solid work as always.

Next Democratic campaign:

"You'll Never Believe What Jesus Said About Global Warming in Leviticus!"

"Earth Only Cooling For Muslims!"

"BREAKING NEWS: How Health Care Affects You When You Are Sick Matters When You Are Sick!"

"BREAKING NEWS: White People To Be Given Jobs In Democratic Cities!"

Thayer, what you utterly fail to comprehend is that the left does empathize with the "dumbs," and it tries to help them, repeatedly, over and over and over again. Then the dumbs elect Donald ****ing Trump in order to FIGHT THE LEFT.

And your answer is that the left should just change by not being the left because it's so insulting that the "smarts" on the left, who are fighting to help the "dumbs" on the right, actually disclose to the "dumbs" that they could make better decisions.

It's just inane talking to you.

Thayer, you posting like such an insufferable douche ITT really pisses me off. Think in 2020 I will support someone even crazy than Trump on the hope that a nuke is dropped on your head. Worth it. Thanks for your work ITT, really helped me understand Trump voters!

I just like the fact that Thayer's whole schtick is that we need to listen to him because the left/Democrats are so terrible at persuading people while literally being so incomprehensible that no one in this thread has a clue what he actually believes in, but are 100% sure they oppose it.

lol at advocating that smart people change to mirror stupid people. No matter how hard it is for stupid people it should be the opposite. If you're too stupid to even copy what smart people are doing and succeeding that way then that's a tough break.

I guess I just feel like your methods of political persuasion and political change don't work very well.

Do you think Flint would have been using water from the Flint River without the use of corrosion inhibitors in order to provide tax cuts under Bernie's watch?

And as a second question, knowing that the EPA sent early warnings about the corrosion issue to the Michigan government (which were ignored), do you feel comfortable that we won't see a repeat of Flint under a government vowing to dismantle the EPA?

Why does everyone always assume I'm defending the current administration? I agree it's easy to argue against the current administration and it's sad that people so politically motivated supported Hillary and lost.

Imo, people who make every issue about the "smarts" needing to repackage their arguments so that the "dumbs" get it, while exhibiting a shaky understanding of what the "dumbs" actually need to get, are usually in agreement with the dumbs on some level. Like there's not a whole world of difference between what Alex Jones says and the idea that the number one problem with climate change is some vague libertarian paranoia about treading carefully when it comes to "the state and science." Especially when the trajectory of science kind of trumps the cherrypicked history of the "state" that is required to frame the argument this way.

It's easy to make dumb people happy, but many Dems care so much about making themselves happy (albeit with broad empathy through policy) that they're missing the forest through the trees and not realizing that millions of people are unhappy, seeing a general deteriorating quality of life, and willing to stand behind and vote for change because they're sick and tired of an establishment that isn't representing them.

But yeah shrug vote for Hillary

Because of your passive-aggressive style of posting.

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And we get it. People got hoodwinked by the promise of change to an even worse degree than Obama's Hope campaign.

I'm not advocating that all, but yes they should change their persuasion tactics if they want to get stupid people to follow them.

If you people to be given the benefit of the doubt, then maybe you should stop being incredibly dishonest yourself by suggesting everyone ITT is responsible for Hillary being the Democratic nominee.

But the awfulness of the current administration is relevant to your posting because to the extent that you have any semblance of a comprehensible argument its that you prefered to be an insufferable douchetard and let Trump win rather than support Hillary once she became the nominee.

Sorry for prefering Hillary of Trump, I'm all on board NUKE ON THAYER'S HEAD for 2020. That'll really give the system the shake-up it needs.

How are yours doing?

Actual scientists respond to Bret Stephens piece. Teach the controversy though!

thayer, the world hasn't moved forward because of people who sit and wait for others to make them happy. We progress as a society through people who take initiative and take action to make themselves and those around them happier. If people don't want to participate in this model then **** them, just leave them behind.

The supporters of this regime have an obligation to themselves and society to do more than vote and voice their support for Trump and the GOP. If they don't take personal responsibility for their own lives and understand that the world and progress is not a 0 sum game then that's their fault. We actually live in a country where success begets more success. This applies to individuals, families, social circles, communities, cities, states, and the country as a whole. There is a reason why some small towns spiral into poverty and cities develop prosperity at the same time while operating under the same policies. It has to do with the vision, skills, and work effort of individuals in those places and their individual and cooperative efforts to improve their lives.

Personally, I am perfectly fine leaving people with few valuable skills and outdated mentalities toward progress behind. I will feel no remorse if they watch the world pass them by while sitting idly and talk about how the government won't help them when they don't even help themselves. This is what you see out of the small town Trump supporters-a mentality that they are helpless and need a savior, but a lack of action.

Sure, some Trump supporters are rich and just support him due to economic reasons which is whatever. They're free to do that. Others like him simply because he aligns with their hateful views or at least stands with them against the sacrilegious left. They're also free to do that. In my opinion neither of these parties really matters. One is making purely economic choices so they're theoretically up for grabs by whichever party will increase their wealth. The other just wants to watch the world burn and gets off on hatred and hurting others which you can't really change. Thus, the only group left is the one I described above which I think is a completely fine group to leave behind. I believe we neither have an obligation to persuade them to change their mentality nor provide a better life for them since we gave them every opportunity to do it for themselves and they passed at every turn.

wtf is up with this Mulvaney press conference right now? Why is he so ****ing hostile about a bill that went through? He's basically going on and on about how the democrats lost and didn't get anything they want and cut a "tremendous deal" for Trump. This is like perfect timing for my non-zero sum game post. No bills or laws should be zero sum. They should all be constructive on the whole. There is no need for one side to lose in every bill that is passed.

How is it possible for people to misunderstand this?

The left should try both "running good candidates" and "win a few elections"

Novel concept I know but both would help a lot more than whatever it is they're doing .

Who fits your definition of a "good candidate?" How many Republicans that ran recently are "good candidates?"

See what makes them stupid is thinking Trump was ever anything but a cartoonish lying blowhard incapable of delivering especially on his obviously unconstitutional promises. Jesus Christ, at least make the con man act sane for a few minutes before you give him all your money!

Should we offer to make painkillers available OTC?