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Originally Posted by digables
Ikes isnt remotely listening to clark and is just so obnoxious in every reply
And it's unfortunate because he's absolutely right that bernies free trade opposition is scary its so often glanced over because hes become such a hero and breath of fresh air in so many areas. It's amazing that politicians can oppose free trade and just use 'rah rah jobs in america' and people eat it up. Pretty much every top economist that's ever lived will tell you awful bernies position is. For me it's one of the scariest positions in the whole election.
So yeah I think ikes is right about that but unfortunately can't read and is unable to hold a civilized conversation
Clark has come to post in politics about Sanders, and the only time he has really was to make some extremely uninformed posts about Bernie Sanders' health care plan and the budget. It ended with him straight up denying projections... and it later came out that those 3rd party projections were really close to Bernie's own projections.
Clark's voting position seems to be that he's voting for HRC, but according to him
HRC is a 'lying scumbag'. His main reason for voting for hillary is that 'she's still better than a Republican president appointing up to 4 justices and green-lighting all sorts of really heinous Tea Party legislation.' He's clearly worried that Sanders would not win an election, not that his positions are incorrect.
Clark also claims to be worried about the poor, but we're only going to worry about the poor behind some arbitrary line. I think that's horse****, but I can understand the rebuttal of 'well we represent only one country'.
The problem with that is, free trade is still great for American poor. Shockingly, protecting local industries and keeping more expensive, less quality goods on the market isn't good for anyone. Free trade is good for everyone that doesn't have a job that can be done by someone a half world away at half the price with no education. Even then, those people should be able, and have been able to take advantage of the massive opportunities that comes with living in a developed nation. Free trade is good for the nation as a whole, and the poor as a whole.
As to you Nath-
I've actually done a lot work with the poor. I worked to directly expand health care access in a neighborhood for a year by expanding clinic services and pounding the pavement so that people knew about it. ****, while it's required work now, I mostly work in a charity hospital and take care of basically nothing but poor people.
The difference between you and me is that I actually care if the policies I'm pushing have a record of working, instead of making me feel good about myself. There are arguments that a lot of Bernie's plans could do some good for the poor. I don't think that he's right about a lot of those, but he has something to stand on. His free trade stances, however, have no such foundation and should automatically disqualify him from being president (just like Trump). There is no rational defense of his attacks on trades, only simple reactionary protectionism.
The reason that is so bad is that was a large part of what led to the Great Depression. That kind of downturn in a world with nuclear weapons is basically the last thing I want to see in this world.